Jim Caviezel, actor who played Jesus, says ‘Passion of the Christ’ sequel will be a huge event of film

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Aulef said:
Now it easier to see He had perfect awareness, right? Thus, not triping is just a consequence of these atributes. To trip is actually an imperfection of the act of walk or run. Since God can’t do anything imperfect, He could never trip.
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What about the Stations of the Cross? #3, 7, and 9, Jesus falls the first, second, and third time. Are these in conflict with Catholic teaching?
 
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Aulef:
Now it easier to see He had perfect awareness, right? Thus, not triping is just a consequence of these atributes. To trip is actually an imperfection of the act of walk or run. Since God can’t do anything imperfect, He could never trip.
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What about the Stations of the Cross? #3, 7, and 9, Jesus falls the first, second, and third time. Are these in conflict with Catholic teaching?
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The whole trajectory of Christ’s human life points to the embrace and redemption of human frailty. Human frailty is not sinful per se. And Christ certainly embraces all that. I would imagine Jesus was buffeted by all the things we all endure. But in a spirit of acceptance and docility, rather than blaming his Father for them (like I do when swearing)
 
JimR-OCDS said:
This verse was used by anti-Semitics to persecute Jews over the centuries. Gibson chose to leave that scene out of the film.
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Actually, the scene was not cut out; rather, the Aramaic (which I could understand) was not subtitled.

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Well, I rest my case.

You . . . completly ignored when I said the Virgin Mary does experience emotions.

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Aulef said:
Well, I rest my case.

You deny Catholic dogma and completly ignored when I said Mary does experience emotions.

I hope you snap out of it someday.
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Rudeness is not a persuasive argument.

What dogma did I deny? I quoted the Catechism to you, is the Catechism not Catholic teaching?
 
Ah no, it was not included.

Although the people spoke Aramaic and Hebrew mostly, the translation was on the screen.

It was announced that part would be left out before it hit the theaters.
 
Nope. He fell in these cases because of external causes such as the extreme phyisical punishment that made Him weaker, the heavy cross, and so on.
 
Aulef said:
Nope. He fell in these cases because of external causes such as the extreme phyisical punishment that made Him weaker, the heavy cross, and so on.
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“Because of external causes.” I see. In that case, Jesus as a boy could have tripped and fallen because of external causes. A sandal strap came undone. A sudden shout behind him distracted his attention. The sun was in his eyes. He stepped in a puddle where the muddy water concealed a deep hole in the ground. Jesus and another boy were both running to catch the same ball, and he swerved to avoid a collision. A slight movement in the sand showed there was a snake there, an inch from his foot. There were no bananas in first-century Judea, but there were other slippery fruit skins. Anything could have happened.
 
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I can understand being turned off by Mel Gibson’s personal issues, I myself am too, the dude definitely has some personal problems he definitely needs to work out (then again don’t we all), and I hope he does…

…however I do not believe that his personal issues carried over into this film (The Passion), or any of his films, TBH.

In all fairness if I decided to not watch films because of an actor/actress/filmmakers personal issues/beliefs, I would hardly have any films to watch 😂

However as long as a film isn’t blatantly wrong (evil) I’ll give it a fair shot, honestly I’m a bit of a cinephile.

Recently a film I directly avoided was Mother!, thankfully I was warned about it before I had a chance to see it…

…I wish that I had been warned about Hereditary before seeing it, however being a fan of the horror genre I had seen it shortly after it had opened and have regretted seeing it since…

…as an aside I honestly don’t understand why so many people (critics and moviegoers alike) thought that Hereditary was a good film, I didn’t find it scary whatsoever, only blasphemous.
 
I want to caution everyone with the pronouncements of Jim Caviezel on the subject of POTC sequel. He has basically said the same thing about this for years on end and Mel Gibson has not confirmed anything on this subject matter.
 
Steeevyo said:
I want to caution everyone with the pronouncements of Jim Caviezel on the subject of POTC sequel. He has basically said the same thing about this for years on end and Mel Gibson has not confirmed anything on this subject matter.
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Actually Mel Gibson has talked about the sequel to The Passion before:

 
He has. But there is no confirmed sequel at this point and I will happily be proven wrong.
 
I was referring to some of the last lines of the film when saying that it was blasphemous, I found those particular lines blasphemous and as a Christian offensive, however others mmv.
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He has. But there is no confirmed sequel at this point and I will happily be proven wrong.
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I agree.
I’m not saying anything is set in stone.
It was just the wording in your previous post made it seem like (to me) that you were saying that Mel hadn’t ever spoke of this potential project, I can understand that perhaps that is not what you had meant.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Ah no, it was not included.
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Well, I hear it clearly, every time I play our DVD. Maybe my copy is “special”.

Edit to add a quotation from the Wiki article on the movie (my emphasis):
One specific scene in the film perceived as an example of anti-Semitism was in the dialogue of Caiaphas, when he states “His blood [is] on us and on our children!”, a quote historically interpreted by some as a curse taken upon by the Jewish people. Certain Jewish groups asked this be removed from the film. However, only the subtitles were removed; the original dialogue remains in the Hebrew soundtrack.[[103]
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There are some things you need to understand about human body, potencies of the human soul and accidents (active and passive) as taught by Saint Thomas.

Your list of external causes doesn’t apply because they are passive things, that is, they are prone to something else’s action. They are simply external substances that are there, incapable of action. And since young Jesus Christ was aware of them, they could always be avoided as causes of imperfection such as tripping. Tripping isn’t an act of free will.

On the other hand, external causes such as scourging, beating, deprivation of rest, food and water do affect body and soul because they are actions. When carrying the Cross, Jesus was perfectly aware of everything, however it could not prevent Him from falling because His body could barely resist the pain and physical stress He was under. He chose it to be this way as He was the victim being offered as sacrifice for our sins.
 
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Of course they are. Jesus due to the scourging tat the pillar had a weekend human body.The Gospels tell us that when He stumbled and fell, the Romans got a man to help him ,someone from the crowd. Some heretic groups, their names i can’t recall right now.
Believed that Jesus was spirit ,and didn’t have a real pysichal body, just appeared to.
I saw the movie, but i did feel like some of the violence was abit much.Like it seemed like forever when Jim as Jesus was being whipped at the pillar, etc. I have never read the book he based some of the movie on. I only pay attention to what the Holy Gospels say. If he had based some of this on the writings of the Copts from the time period of the New testament or a little later then I would take notice. I don’t read private revelations. We also don’t know much about Jesus before He began his ministery.
Some say He spent time with the Essenes. Some say He went with St.Joseph of Aramethia to Britian. we just don’t know.
 
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