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can someone help me to understand the book of Job… Reading the chapter 3 onwards is difficult for me to understand, it’s full of conversation between Job and his friends. Does Job losing his faith and his friends are there to support him? or his friends are wrong in advising him?

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Job is a supplemental book. It should be read and understood in the context of the Book of Genesis which it supplements and expounds upon.

People can give an overview of the Book of Job but if you really want to understand it then become familiar with and acquire a basic understanding of Genesis, and then read Job in that context.

-Tim-
 
“the LORD giveth and the LORD taketh away. Blessed be the name of the LORD.”

" I know that my Redeemer [avenger] liveth"

There is a devil.

The rest is hard to understand.
 
can someone help me to understand the book of Job… Reading the chapter 3 onwards is difficult for me to understand, it’s full of conversation between Job and his friends. Does Job losing his faith and his friends are there to support him? or his friends are wrong in advising him?

thanks
Overview. Job is incorrect. Job’s friends are more incorrect. God is righteous and correct. It contrasts God and man. Job claims innocent, Jobs friends claim Job is guilty. God claims dominion, judgment is passed, reconciliation and restoration occurs.

It’s a book that states mans position “God its not fair”. It’s a book that states God’s position “Man its not fair”.
 
Job is a supplemental book. It should be read and understood in the context of the Book of Genesis which it supplements and expounds upon.

People can give an overview of the Book of Job but if you really want to understand it then become familiar with and acquire a basic understanding of Genesis, and then read Job in that context.

-Tim-
Any other books in the old testament that are supplemental? I did not know Job is supplemental to Genesis. I just started reading the bible cover to cover, I’m at 2 Kings (usually I stop at the Chronicles!!!) I have not read any of the prophetic books so this would help me out!
 
can someone help me to understand the book of Job… Reading the chapter 3 onwards is difficult for me to understand, it’s full of conversation between Job and his friends. Does Job losing his faith and his friends are there to support him? or his friends are wrong in advising him?

thanks
here is a saintly commentary foreshadowing

Genesis and the sacred book of Job

God bless
 
Job is a commentary of the problem of suffering. The answer to this problem is resolved in chapters 38- 42 when God finally answers.

**In the Old Testament Job suffers tremendously. He insists that he is innocent. However, his “friends” insist that Job admit that his sins led to his suffering. God addresses Job at the end of the book. He rebukes Job’s false friends for blaming Job. They were wrong to claim that it was his sin that caused his suffering. God is happy that Job was seeking an answer, but he invites Job to grow in humility before God. God says that some things are beyond are ability to understand. We can know some things about suffering, yet it is still a mystery in that we cannot understand it completely. **

Job 38:1-4
“Then the LORD addressed Job out of the storm and said:
Who (1) is this that obscures divine plans with words of ignorance?
Gird up your loins now, like a man;
I will question you, and you tell me the answers!
Where were you when I founded the earth?”

1. “Who” is a reference to Elihu ( or Eliud ) who had just finished speaking in the previous two chapters. See Aquinas

Job 42:7-9
“… the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, ’ I am angry with you and with your two friends; for you have not spoken rightly concerning me, as has my servant Job. Now, therefore, take seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up a holocaust for yourselves; and let my servant Job pray for you; for his prayer I will accept, not to punish you severely. For you have not spoken rightly concerning me, as has my servant Job.’
Then Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite, went and did as the LORD had commanded them. And the LORD accepted the intercession of Job. Also, the LORD restored the prosperity of Job, after he had prayed for his friends; the LORD even gave to Job twice as much as he had before.”


For more context of the Book of Job see Dave Armstrong’s comments below
  1. The Case Of Job
    The book of Job, rightly understood and interpreted, reads almost like a parable of the “faith movement”, and its refutation, for we find much here that cannot be explained by “faith” proponents. Some of the worst arguments in the “faith” literature are put forth in attempts to explain away Job and his sufferings. Lets look at some key verses of Job:
    In verse 1:1, Job is described as blameless, upright, fearing God, and turning away from evil. In verse 1:8, the Lord Himself repeats these same words, in conversation with Satan, adding the phrase, there is no one like him on the Earth. After Job is afflicted with all the calamities described in 1:13-22, God still says the same thing about him that He said in 1:8, in verse 2:3 (adding, And he *still * holds fast his integrity). Note how God says in the same verse, You incited me against him, to ruin him without cause. … Note also, how God proclaims that even though Satan cited Him against Job, there was *no cause *for it. This wasn’t allowed to come upon Job because of some secret sin, or lack of faith, etc. …
But the Bible tells us otherwise. Job *was * righteous because God said so (1:8 and 2:3) in no uncertain terms. … James even commends Job for his endurance (James 5:11; see also #28). This is strange indeed if we are to regard Job as an example of a lack of faith!
Job shows his understanding of God’s ways in verse 2:10: Shall we indeed accept good from God and not accept adversity? Now we will look at Job’s ‘comforters.’ We will see how they asserted that the righteous do not suffer, and that therefore, Job must have some sin which is causing his problems. They are exactly, uncannily, like “faith” followers today, who exude a decided lack of
compassion toward the suffering …
God severely rebukes these “friends” at the end of the book, and asserts His sovereignty (i.e., “trust Me even though you may not understand some things such as adversity befalling the righteous.”).
Bildad says in verse 8:6: If you are pure and upright, surely now He would rouse Himself for you and restore your righteous estate, implying that Job was not righteous because God didn’t move immediately. Job, however, although the most righteous man on the earth,recognizes mans inherently sinful nature by saying: How can a man be in the right before God? (9:2). He is arguing that since no man is righteous, God’s dealings with men are based totally on His mercy, and not *our *supposed faith or righteousness. …
Job’s comforters continue to make insinuations about Job’s supposed great sinfulness as the book goes on, getting worse as they go. Is not your wickedness great, and your iniquities without end? (22:5) And so it goes throughout the book.
Of course we know that these “friends” are dead wrong …
 
As part of it’s series of one volume commentaries leading up to the publishing of the complete edition of a Catholic Study Bible, Ignatius Press has released a one volume commentary on the Book of Job. Here is one place you can find it:

Job: Ignatius Catholic Study Bible

I do not have this particular volume, but I have all the others that have been released so far and they are all excellent, with extensive commentary, footnotes, informational sidebars and word studies, and questions for study and meditation on each chapter. I’ve been meaning to get this myself because, like you, I’ve struggled with the flow or organization of this book and I’m sure a volume like this would be helpful.
 
Job has been called “God on trial”. Take it like a courtroom drama(guess who the judge is?)Look at the beginning of the book. Satan aka the adversary -acts like a prosecuting attorney. Job is own defense- his so called friends, witnesses.

after all is said and done God as courtroom judge gives a ruling. Job is not guilty- his friends are.there biggest sin? thinking that they could know how God acts. God tells his friends that they must go to Job and have Job intercede for their sin of hubris.
 
Any other books in the old testament that are supplemental? I did not know Job is supplemental to Genesis. I just started reading the bible cover to cover, I’m at 2 Kings (usually I stop at the Chronicles!!!) I have not read any of the prophetic books so this would help me out!
Sorry I didn’t see this earlier. Yes. Leviticus and Deuteronomy are supplemental to Exodus.

Exodus is the story of Israel’s salvation from Egypt and the giving of the Law to Israel by God.

Leviticus is a training manual on how to live according to the Law given in Exodus. Chapters 1 though 16 are a training manual for priests. Chapters 17 through 22 are a training manual for ordinary people. Jewish children are still taught to read and write using Leviticus 17 through 22 which is sometimes referred to as “The Holiness Code.”

Deuteronomy literally means second law. The Book of Deuteronomy is made of three sections. Each section is a speech given by Moses where he restates the law. The final speech is his last one, his farewell speech before he dies.

Both Leviticus and Deuteronomy are supplemental to Exodus and have to be read in the context of Exodus. Leviticus restates the commandments given by God to Moses in the Book of Exodus, expounds upon the commands and goes into the practical application of them in the priesthood and everyday life. Deuteronomy repeats the law three times! This is why people find these two books particularly difficult, because they try to read them on their own. They make much more sense however, when read in the context of Exodus and understood in terms of what they are. Leviticus is a training manual and Deuteronomy is a series of three of Moses major speeches on the Law.

The narrative book is Exodus. It tells the story. Leviticus, Deuteronomy and to a certain extent Numbers all supplement Exodus.

-Tim-
 
Sorry I didn’t see this earlier. Yes. Leviticus and Deuteronomy are supplemental to Exodus.
:banghead:

No. NO! No books of the canonical Scriptures are ‘supplemental’, per se. However, there are certain Bible studies which attempt to tell the “narrative story” of the Bible. (For example, see Jeff Cavins’ excellent ‘Great Adventure’ Scripture study.) Now, in that context – that is, in the context of the narrative tale found in Scripture – we might say that Leviticus or Deuteronomy or Job is ‘supplemental’ to the narration found in Exodus or Genesis, respectively. However, to assert that, objectively, these books are ‘supplemental’ is inaccurate. One can certainly understand the narrative flow of the story of Scripture by skipping books that are ‘supplemental’ to the narration; but, that doesn’t by any stretch mean that these books are supplements to God’s self-Revelation.
The narrative book is Exodus. It tells the story. Leviticus, Deuteronomy and to a certain extent Numbers all supplement Exodus.
The Gospel of Luke tells the story of Jesus’ life. Would you assert that the Gospels of Mark, Matthew, or John are simply ‘supplemental’? (Of course not!)
 
:banghead:

No. NO! No books of the canonical Scriptures are ‘supplemental’, per se. However, there are certain Bible studies which attempt to tell the “narrative story” of the Bible. (For example, see Jeff Cavins’ excellent ‘Great Adventure’ Scripture study.) Now, in that context – that is, in the context of the narrative tale found in Scripture – we might say that Leviticus or Deuteronomy or Job is ‘supplemental’ to the narration found in Exodus or Genesis, respectively. However, to assert that, objectively, these books are ‘supplemental’ is inaccurate. One can certainly understand the narrative flow of the story of Scripture by skipping books that are ‘supplemental’ to the narration; but, that doesn’t by any stretch mean that these books are supplements to God’s self-Revelation.

The Gospel of Luke tells the story of Jesus’ life. Would you assert that the Gospels of Mark, Matthew, or John are simply ‘supplemental’? (Of course not!)
You are reading too much into what I wrote. I agree with you 100%. There is no need to be upset.

Leviticus and Deuteronomy are supplemental to the narrative thread in Exodus. That is all I meant. I did not mean that they were in some way less than the other books.

-Tim-
 
You are reading too much into what I wrote.
Nah… just reacting to what you said, not to what you meant but didn’t say. 😉
Leviticus and Deuteronomy are supplemental to the narrative thread in Exodus. That is all I meant. I did not mean that they were in some way less than the other books.
There we go… supplemental to the narrative thread. Yep… 👍
 
Nah… just reacting to what you said, not to what you meant but didn’t say. 😉

There we go… supplemental to the narrative thread. Yep… 👍
I don’t think any of this was really needed as my previous post said, “…should be read and understood in the context of…”

You’re just late to the party.

-Tim-
 
I don’t think any of this was really needed as my previous post said, “…should be read and understood in the context of…”
No… you said, “in the context of the Book of Genesis which it supplements and expounds upon.” IIRC, Cavins makes the claim that Job is supplemental to Genesis inasmuch as it places itself historically in the same period as the events of Genesis. In other words, Job is read in the context of Genesis only inasmuch as we must understand that its perspective is ancient.

In the context of Scripture, though, the Book of Job isn’t supplemental. It helps us understand that, in Job’s timeframe, people thought that there was no eternal reward or punishment, and therefore, our only reward or punishment happens in this life. It helps us contextualize the exile of the Jews – were each of them punished because each of them were sinful? Were all of them punished by God and excluded from eternal bliss? The Book of Job says, ‘no’ – we weren’t there when God formed the world, and so we cannot hope to understand His plan.

The Book of Job also helps us contextualize the conflict between the Pharisees and Sadducees, who disagreed on the notion of the existence of heaven. The worldview of Job’s time helps us understand the presumptions of the Sadducees. In other words, Job isn’t supplemental to Genesis, or only understood in light of it. Rather, Job helps us understand the mindset of many 1st century Palestinians. Heck, for that matter, it helps us understand the error of 21st century people who believe in ‘karma’ as a universal force! No, Job isn’t understood only in the context of Genesis; it is central to the message of the entire Bible.
You’re just late to the party.
:rolleyes: Sorry… I guess I didn’t realize there was a time limit on ‘truth’. Next time I correct you, I’ll make sure I do it more promptly… 😉
 
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