Joe Biden and Communion: 6 Points for the US Bishops to Consider
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pnewton
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Even a reputable Catholic organization (I like NCR) can have writers that engage in polemics. I stopped reading at, “In return, Biden kicked the Catholic Church in the teeth.” I will stick to more objective articles.
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1Lord1Faith
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The article was mainly about Canon 915, and asking the question, if it’s not going to be enforced with Biden…will it ever be enforced?
It seems to be a legitimate question.
It seems to be a legitimate question.
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RootKitWarrior
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I would probably stopped reading that point as well.
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StudentMI
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It’s a good article. Hypocrisy doesn’t stop being hypocrisy because a guy is powerful.
If it were to be applied to Joe Biden it must be applied to other influential and powerful Catholics the likes of Michael Voris, Taylor Marshall, Tim Gordon, Fr Z, and AB Vigano (who no longer ever refers to or regards Pope Francis as legitimate). These Catholics have done more by gossip, slander, lies and detraction to damage the faithful and their trust in the Church and Pope Francis. If the rule is not applied equally to all public influential figures, that is a greater scandal in my opinion.
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StudentMI
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Agreed on applying it to them all, but I would argue the likes of Voris and Marshall have a much smaller influence than does Biden and his ilk.
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But they will be well known and recognized as figures in their own parishes where they receive Communion, so that is where the scandal will manifest.
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Victoria33
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That’s irrelevant.
Biden and the Democrats in general support an intrinsic evil.
These others are not.
Please do not minimize the wrongs of the culture of death.
The article is not about these others.
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Dr_Meinheimer
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If a Bishop had clear violations of Canon law they wished to cite in these cases, they could certainly do so. That is pretty easy in Biden’s case.
But to equate any fringe-y Catholic influencer (what a terrible word that is) with the leader of the free world is simply looking for reasons to not go after the President of a Congressman.
But to equate any fringe-y Catholic influencer (what a terrible word that is) with the leader of the free world is simply looking for reasons to not go after the President of a Congressman.
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Ender
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If withholding communion from Biden is the right thing to do then it should be done regardless of what should be done regarding the others. Their actions have no bearing whatever on how his own actions should be treated. If you think Biden should not be banned from communion then make that argument, and explain how his very public behavior which is directly contrary to several significant church doctrines does not meet the criteria for the application of Canon 915.
This suggests you believe Biden does does deserve to be banned from communion, it’s just that you don’t want that sanction applied. Is that because you think it would be politically damaging? The church teaches that this is for the good of his soul. Would you not consider that the more important impact?
I find it unsavoury to make an issue that should between a person, his Priest and God into a public spectacle of judgment. I’ll call out those who love the spectacle based on abortion but don’t apply the same judgment to the sins of others. It’s hypocrisy.Motherwit:
If withholding communion from Biden is the right thing to do then it should be done regardless of what should be done regarding the others. Their actions have no bearing whatever on how his own actions should be treated. If you think Biden should not be banned from communion then make that argument, and explain how his very public behavior which is directly contrary to several significant church doctrines does not meet the criteria for the application of Canon 915.
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Ender
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The problem of course is that it isn’t private; that’s the whole concern with scandal. Biden’s behavior is public, that is: manifest, which is one of the criteria triggering C. 915.
The real question, however, is not whether people who call for communion to be withheld are hypocrites, but whether their claim is justified. They may well be hypocrites, but that in no way suggests that communion should not be withheld.
That’s the nature of scandal. We in fact are all affected by it regardless of where it occurs, nor can we simply ignore it or wish it away. If we weren’t all involved simply by the public nature of the offense it we wouldn’t be concerned, and our judgments would be inappropriate, but we form our own actions based not just on what the church teaches but what she does, and it is problematic when the clergy act contrary to the rules of the church.
But, again, none of your arguments even touch on the question: do Biden’s actions satisfy the criteria for invoking C. 915?
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MikeInVA
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No, they are not Church leaders (other than AB Vigano). From what I’ve read from AB Vigano (as opposed to what is written about what he writes) he takes issue with the man, not the office.
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