Joe Biden Denied Holy Communion

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It’s always amusing to note that to be open-minded (open-mindedness always portrayed to be some sort of inherent good) always, always means to be open to evil.
 
We are all rank unworthy. And I am not sure that Jesus contemplated conveyance of ownership of the real presence as opposed to liscence to distribute it to the rank unworthy. .
That said, you raise this issue of pain with healing.
While one might experience pain, I agree, I don’t recall any instances where Jesus administered pain except for those who mistakenly believed they were more worthy that others. There, the pain was intended to foster humility in that person’s healing.
I think it an interesting point and a difficult one. That is why I think Pope Benedict seemed to require ones own pastor and a discussion.
 
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. He denied communion to him due to his public cooperation with passing and promoting something which is considered intrinsically evil in opposition to Catholic teaching.
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Then in light of the pro-life legislation he supported as well, I cannot help but think the priest is acting either politically, or out of ignorance. He is not exactly a Nancy Pelosi on the issue of abortion.
 
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Maximus1 said:
We are all rank unworthy. And I am not sure that Jesus contemplated conveyance of ownership of the real presence as opposed to liscence to distribute it to the rank unworthy. .
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This isn’t a matter of worthiness. All are unworthy. This is a matter of letting someone with a potentially dead spiritual life continually kill it over and over again while not realizing it’s not normal nor living. Do you think that Pope St. John Paul II was unaware that we’re all unworthy when he put Canon 915 in the current set of canons?
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While one might experience pain, I agree, I don’t recall any instances where Jesus administered pain except for those who mistakenly believed they were more worthy that others. There, the pain was intended to foster humility in that person’s healing.
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Don’t you think that the humility of not receiving the Eucharist could foster healing? And those people Jesus healed: did they intend to go on and continue swindling people of their taxes, living in an adulterous relationship, etc.?
 
" Open to evil" meaning what?
My favorite line in scripture is John 1:5:
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."
First thing you must do in reading it is to keep an open mind I think.
The language( which is no less than the shape of reality) is a distinct choice of the author.
It could have been the light extinguished, or triumphantly overcame. Add for all time perhaps.
Instead darkness is clearly a permenent feature. Why might that be? Then," the darkness has not overcome it."
Not exactly an extinguishment of darkness at all.
They say the eye cannot see in pure light. We see shadow. I think the language of John 5 beacons an open mind.
 
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I looked this up a few times. 2004, seems to be the time there was much was written on this subject.
There were Cardinals who opined that the Eucharist should not be denied in this way and that 915 was never meant to cover this.
Cardinal Burke wrote also. Pertinent here is his reference specifically to the politicians pastor.
Later writings said it was for Bishops.
The issue begins with the fact that the Eucharist is not supposed to be denied providing you are in good standing essentially. That non denial persists until some of the identified circumstances is determined that changes the right to receive.
This cannot was added after PSJPII instituted 915 by Pope Benedict and was actually titled in terms of " WORTHINESS"
SINCE, there has been a split of ideas. There is a recognition of dangers in heated elections because this all is a departure from the right to receive.
It seems like this one time priest at communion, in South Carolina, far from Deleware, with no pastoral interplay before denial, may have danced to close to the line of appropriateness.
 
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He has also officiated at a SS marriage,he is not aligned with his faith.Another CINO.These politicians have d lauded thrms lives into believing they can separate their faith from their politics… not possible.Faith comes first
 
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We are all rank unworthy. And I am not sure that Jesus contemplated conveyance of ownership of the real presence as opposed to liscence to distribute it to the rank unworthy. .
That said, you raise this issue of pain with healing.
While one might experience pain, I agree, I don’t recall any instances where Jesus administered pain except for those who mistakenly believed they were more worthy that others. There, the pain was intended to foster humility in that person’s healing.
I think it an interesting point and a difficult one. That is why I think Pope Benedict seemed to require ones own pastor and a discussion.
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Canon law doesn’t say that one’s own pastor is the only priest with the faculty to withhold communion. Were this the case, then a person could simply stop attending their usual parish and go elsewhere to continue receiving in a state of sin. If a person shouldn’t be receiving, then they shouldn’t be receiving from any priest. Limiting this faculty to one’s ordinary priest would be trivial. “You can receive the Blessed Sacrament from every priest except for one” is what that would boil down to.
 
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Another CINO.
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If he is baptized, he is a Catholic in a real, tangible, yet mystical name. I do not like, but understand, the term RINO, but CINO should not be allowed here, as an offense against charity, and a direct judgement of another’s soul. I don’t report such stuff, of course, as it is only my opinion, but if you think about what the term means, it is beyond the pale for one human being to use on another. It is an amputation of the Body of Christ.

Then there is the whole injustice and offense against the truth of labeling people into groups in the first place. I know it is hard to think and get past such short cuts, but not impossible. People deserve their individual dignity. The reality is that their is no monolithic, Democrat, Republican, Catholic, or conservative.
 
I agree that he is a Catholic,although his very public stance on issues antithetical to Church teachings certainly brings up the question as to how seriously he takes his faith.
 
Perhaps a more apt description is Cafeteria Catholic.:woman_shrugging:t2:
 
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I think caution is required with politicians in this political climate
 
That is a totally understandable term. My only caveat is that it applies to some conservatives as well, just on different topics, and to most people at some time in their life. But I get it. When there are major political issues a nations face, then it really should be expected that Catholic listen to the Church on those issues. He does more than most Democrats, but that is the very definition of the cafeteria, is it not?
 
You say Catholics to often pit judgement against mercy.
“…So speak and so act as people who will be judged by the law of freedom.
FOR THE JUDGEMENT IS MERCILESS to one who has not shown mercy; MERCY TRIUMPHS OVER JUDGEMENT.” James 2:12-13
Perhaps he who is merciful shall obtain mercy. For we sinners, mercy offers hope. Merciless judgement does not.
Either way, I don’t think this affects what should be our efforts to follow the law.
Fraternal correction is to begin with private corrections to start. This fact, and the political climate specifically has been part of the dialog. It looks like this precise action and the unfortunate public comment finds itself stretching this particular foray I unworthiness.
 
Do you mean just the concept of excommunication? Or in a fact pattern, I am not sure how to answer.
 
Frankly the idea that saying word can heal makes me sceptical. Healing in my mind requires much more. God’s word is something different as the Centurian used them. And of course Jesus word was given.
 
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