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Robwar, I have lots of positives to say about the Catholic Church. I just don’t have a lot of positives to say about haters; and/or “catholics” who make their faith look fake by being totally unable to live it, and thereby being pretty poor representatives of their faith.

I also have some positives to say about Joel Osteen. And by response, we get people who don’t like him because he smiles a lot; has a Texas drawl; once (allegedly) didn’t say anything on an unnamed TV show appearing on an unnamed date; and other pretty poor reasons. Is that who Catholics are? People who dislike based on appearance; speech; or other silly reasons? That’s just disgraceful.

BTW, asking, “don’t you have anything positive to say?” is just an admission that you can’t really answer what I’ve said in any better way. All you did was just repeat yourself, which isn’t really “discussing” anything, it’s just…repeating yourself.
 
This is what happens when Catholics listen to non-Catholics…The Bible clearly warns of this. Let them be Anathema! Does Joel believe in The True Prescence? The Source and Summit of Catholic Faith? Then let him be Anathema! Do you “Catholics” listen to non-Catholics? Then YOU become Anathema!
 
I’ve got no problem with optimism. I think Osteen is the theological equivalent to a high-carb diet. Sure does taste good, but there’s not enough Heavenly nutrition.
 
Jessebar, your post is interesting…

…because it is factually false; theologically unsound; and kind of embarrassing to read.

The Bible says we should not listen to non-Catholics? Uh…No, because there were no “Catholics” when the Bible was written and the Bible obviously never references what we know as the Catholic Church as such, outside Christ’s direction to St. Peter. The Bible does speak to, for example, “Christ having no partnership with Beliar,” [paraphrased] if memory serves, but that is a far cry from claiming it says “Catholics should never listen to non-Catholics.” It does not; nor does the Church teach this.

Now, leaving out your factual inaccuracy – Catholics should never listen to non-Catholics? Why not? For fear those darn Protestants might quote the Bible and we won’t know what to say in response, because so few Catholics ever read the Bible these days? Which Catholics are we allowed to listen to? Only priests? Bishops? Only the Pope? Can we listen only to Catholics who live together unmarried and missed Mass this past Sunday? Or are they “theologically more accurate” than Joel Osteen because they’re Catholic and he isn’t (even thought they’re lousy Catholics in the eyes of some)?

I think I’ve made my point.
 
on_the_hill, I can quite understand the notion that Mr. Osteen is not for everyone, nor would I contend that he is perfect.

I just think there’s a vast difference from that, versus the hating he’s getting, i.e., he so gosh darn happy; he has a Texas drawl; he once was on TV and never spoke; etc., which really gives Catholics a bad name.

I would add, however, that I find a lot more “protein” in listening to him than in some of the vacuous, feel-good but ultimately unsatisfying Masses I’ve nearly slept through in my life.

The pushback is that there is something special about the Mass, that a Protestant service lacks. And that’s true. But It’s also true that people know what they learn and what they experience, and there are clearly reasons his Church is packed and Catholic Churches are emptying. Clearly he is giving something people believe they need, and the Catholic Church isn’t, going strictly off attendance.
 
jessebar said:
Do you “Catholics” listen to non-Catholics? Then YOU become Anathema!
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Any Catholic who listens to a non-Catholic becomes anathema? Really? Could you give us the official Church document supporting this?
 
PolarGuy said:
Robwar, I have lots of positives to say about the Catholic Church. I just don’t have a lot of positives to say about haters; and/or “catholics” who make their faith look fake by being totally unable to live it, and thereby being pretty poor representatives of their faith.

I also have some positives to say about Joel Osteen. And by response, we get people who don’t like him because he smiles a lot; has a Texas drawl; once (allegedly) didn’t say anything on an unnamed TV show appearing on an unnamed date; and other pretty poor reasons. Is that who Catholics are? People who dislike based on appearance; speech; or other silly reasons? That’s just disgraceful.

BTW, asking, “don’t you have anything positive to say?” is just an admission that you can’t really answer what I’ve said in any better way. All you did was just repeat yourself, which isn’t really “discussing” anything, it’s just…repeating yourself.
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Polar,
if you read my posts on him and a number of them that I have posted about Joyce Meyers, I always address what they teach, not their accents, lifestyle, motives, sincerity etc. The problem with Joel and Joyce is what they are teaching, not that he smiles too much etc. I use to be very much involved in this sort of stuff. It is an incomplete gospel and actually a false one. Some of their biggest critics are other Protestants not Catholics. I also have always stated that I understand why people are attracked to them but WoF is an incomplete false doctrine. The Bible never states that God is going to give a happy happy never land here on earth. To lead people to think this that God is one big Santa Claus like character is a false gospel. Recently there was a video clip on Victoria Osteen who states that God’s will for you is to be happy. It wasn’t posted here for comments but the outrage over her statements can be easily found. That is a false promise, it is incomplete message, it leads people astray and sets them up for faith failure when all these happy happy promises do not come true.
 
Although I do not agree with a so-called prosperity gospel, I also think that Catholics misinterpret what is meant by that the same way Protestants misinterpret what Catholics believe.

Although God does not necessarily promise us happiness in this life, I’d turn it around: do we think God wants us to be miserable? Does he want us to be unhappy? He said He came that we might have life and have it to the fullest, which seems a lot more Victoria Osteen and a lot less “we were made for suffering.”
 
PolarGuy said:
Although I do not agree with a so-called prosperity gospel, I also think that Catholics misinterpret what is meant by that the same way Protestants misinterpret what Catholics believe.

Although God does not necessarily promise us happiness in this life, I’d turn it around: do we think God wants us to be miserable? Does he want us to be unhappy? He said He came that we might have life and have it to the fullest, which seems a lot more Victoria Osteen and a lot less “we were made for suffering.”
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I do think you have a good question. Sadly, too many Catholic equate a more serious or dour persona with being spiritual. I think Pope Francis has addressed this. Being Catholic we should have a quiet hope, faith and love that should extend to others. I believe that St. Theresa of Avila said once “Save me from sour face saints”. However that is a far cry from the happy happy show of Joel and Victoria Osteen. Not every day can be a Friday. We need the Mondays as well and a balanced person knows how to handle both. St. Paul did write he knew how to be content in plenty and in poverty. i don’t write about them out of ignorance or misrepresent their teaching. Their interpretation of the “abundant Life” is American materialism at its finest. Do you really think that abundant life should be defined by crass materialism or is abundance much more deeper and spiritual? Do you really think that because they have a huge Church that they are better and more spiritual? Is it realistic to promise or promote that God wants you never to suffer? Yes sometimes Catholics seem to want to wallow in it but it is totally imbalanced to teach others that they will never suffer or suppose to. The better and healthier approach is that this life does bring on suffering and when it does, God will see you through it and can bring good out of it. That is the short summary of Catholic teaching on suffering and it is opposite of the Osteens.
 
The only point you have made is that you are not Catholic, you are Protestant hiding behind a Catholic name…Galatians 1:8 is so clear that it confuses only those who don’t seek the Truth, and those who love to be the Devils advocate…there is so much blatant Non-Catholicism on this thread, this reads like a Facebook post! I got off of Facebook because they hated the Truth and contended against the Truth, kinda like this and many other threads…Listen to Joel, it’s your Freewill to do so. Just remember, sola scriptura is non-Catholic, and a dead giveaway for a heretical non-Catholic. The thing about wolves is that their clothes always end up coming off, thereby exposing their true selves. Anathema Sit!
 
jessebar said:
The only point you have made is that you are not Catholic, you are Protestant hiding behind a Catholic name…Galatians 1:8 is so clear that it confuses only those who don’t seek the Truth, and those who love to be the Devils advocate…there is so much blatant Non-Catholicism on this thread, this reads like a Facebook post! I got off of Facebook because they hated the Truth and contended against the Truth, kinda like this and many other threads…Listen to Joel, it’s your Freewill to do so. Just remember, sola scriptura is non-Catholic, and a dead giveaway for a heretical non-Catholic. The thing about wolves is that their clothes always end up coming off, thereby exposing their true selves. Anathema Sit!
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who in the world are you talking about! please reread the rules of CAF. accusing others of not being Catholic is a very good way to get banned.
 
PolarGuy said:
Jessebar, your post is interesting…

…because it is factually false; theologically unsound; and kind of embarrassing to read.

The Bible says we should not listen to non-Catholics? Uh…No, because there were no “Catholics” when the Bible was written and the Bible obviously never references what we know as the Catholic Church as such, outside Christ’s direction to St. Peter. The Bible does speak to, for example, “Christ having no partnership with Beliar,” [paraphrased] if memory serves, but that is a far cry from claiming it says “Catholics should never listen to non-Catholics.” It does not; nor does the Church teach this.

Now, leaving out your factual inaccuracy – Catholics should never listen to non-Catholics? Why not? For fear those darn Protestants might quote the Bible and we won’t know what to say in response, because so few Catholics ever read the Bible these days? Which Catholics are we allowed to listen to? Only priests? Bishops? Only the Pope? Can we listen only to Catholics who live together unmarried and missed Mass this past Sunday? Or are they “theologically more accurate” than Joel Osteen because they’re Catholic and he isn’t (even thought they’re lousy Catholics in the eyes of some)?

I think I’ve made my point.
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My previous post is meant for this Polar guy…does he sound Catholic?
 
I got restricted on Facebook already…you want to ban ME? how very Facebook of you…Allow the dissenting view and accuse the one who sticks up for Catholicism…do what you feel you must do then…life goes on outside this website, real life!
 
jessebar said:
I got restricted on Facebook already…you want to ban ME? how very Facebook of you…Allow the dissenting view and accuse the one who sticks up for Catholicism…do what you feel you must do then…life goes on outside this website, real life!
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There is a difference between contrary views which Polar Guy and myself are discussing and attacks. You come on attacking him for no reason at all. Again I would suggest that you reread the rules here and questioning and attacking another poster is a very fast way to get oneself banned. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand which is Joel Osteen radio. If you have already been restricted on Facebook then I would suggest you look at how you are coming off to others you disagree with. We are to speak the truth in love not use it to club others we don’t know and disagree with.
 
Now, leaving out your factual inaccuracy – Catholics should never listen to non-Catholics? Why not? For fear those darn Protestants might quote the Bible and we won’t know what to say in response, because so few Catholics ever read the Bible these days? Which Catholics are we allowed to listen to? Only priests? Bishops? Only the Pope? Can we listen only to Catholics who live together unmarried and missed Mass this past Sunday? Or are they “theologically more accurate” than Joel Osteen because they’re Catholic and he isn’t (even thought they’re lousy Catholics in the eyes of some)?

Sounds extremely Catholic to me…NOT!
 
Like I said, do what you gotta do…my life won’t end because I got banned from a website! Very soon their won’t be any websites…or electricity…or the world as we know it…enjoy the medium while you can!
 
jessebar said:
Like I said, do what you gotta do…my life won’t end because I got banned from a website! Very soon their won’t be any websites…or electricity…or the world as we know it…enjoy the medium while you can!
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you have some serious growing up to do.
 
I’ll respond to all posters who can have a reasoned discussion…

…which is why I will respond to robwar at present.

Your points too have some validity. I think the Osteens have something to say. I think that morality is complex and that the best approach might lie somewhere between the prosperity gospel and the sour faced saints - which is, FYI, a very Thomistic/Aristotelian way of seeing things. Now, the beauty of that allowance is that some people will respond better to going one way or the other, provided no approach is too extreme. I disagree with a Prosperity gospel; I just don’t think the Osteens are really advocates of that. Could I be wrong? Sure. Do I think they have something to say worth listening to? Absolutely.
 
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