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KendraDZ1902
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It has to be some type of temporal punishment that practically every day at work Joel Osteen and the likes are blaring from my patients’ rooms, right? :whacky:
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Allegra
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I think it’s weird that people are so drawn to that guy. He literally looks like he’s been dipped in wax, he’s so slimy. And he’s got that ratty smile. He’s like a caricature of a used-car salesman! I don’t get it.
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esmac
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Yes, I have listened to him on Sirius XM radio (not for religious purposes but as a motivational speaker).
That’s essentially, in my own opinion, is what he is doing. He’s a motivational speaker.
He preaches to what is going on with you. People like that. If you listen to the Catholic Channel it’s generally ANYTHING but that. Their programs are always from a corporate standpoint…what’s going on with the Church, POLITICS, glorifying Pope Francis, etc. Their programs are pretty much anything but what’s going on with you.
I have wondered if it would be too much for the Catholic Channel to have a slot time for someone to preach??
Osteen will back up “the message” with a verse or two from the Bible, he often won’t even tell you where the verse is, e.g. “In Proverbs it says…”
Since most everyone is wounded one way or another and bombarded with negativity each day, I think people are drawn to it.
One day recently I was listening to one of his messages and he said,
That’s essentially, in my own opinion, is what he is doing. He’s a motivational speaker.
He preaches to what is going on with you. People like that. If you listen to the Catholic Channel it’s generally ANYTHING but that. Their programs are always from a corporate standpoint…what’s going on with the Church, POLITICS, glorifying Pope Francis, etc. Their programs are pretty much anything but what’s going on with you.
I have wondered if it would be too much for the Catholic Channel to have a slot time for someone to preach??
Osteen will back up “the message” with a verse or two from the Bible, he often won’t even tell you where the verse is, e.g. “In Proverbs it says…”
Since most everyone is wounded one way or another and bombarded with negativity each day, I think people are drawn to it.
One day recently I was listening to one of his messages and he said,
When I heard him say that, I was like…uhhh…Joel…that doesn’t sound too good. I changed the channel, and I really haven’t had any desire to listen to him since.
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Gorgias
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It kinda makes sense, in a twisted way. If they’re desperately looking for some sort of hope that they can’t find within themselves, then it’s no surprise that they turn to a preacher who’s selling a ‘Prosperity Gospel’ message – that is, that God wants to give them all the good things in the material world (e.g., health) if only they say ‘yes’ to Him. (And give money to the right preacher, of course, too…
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Tablefor9
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Have some earplugs…
I know what you mean. Sometimes it’s tough to be a captive audience at the bedside.
I know what you mean. Sometimes it’s tough to be a captive audience at the bedside.
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WJeffrey
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It may be temporal punishment. I think it would drive me crazy. On the bright side, at least it isn’t that guy who likes paternity tests.
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fred_conty
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I like him tho of course not everything he says is correct. He reminds me of the good things about being a Christian, unwinding the rubber band so to speak, putting down the cross for a few minutes and using it as a prop to hold me up, to think of the beauty of what the promises of Christ will bring, opening up a window to smell the fresh air and the refreshing wind on the face of my soul.
Then reality sets in after a nice pause of relief of the kindness and generousness that Jesus stands for. I believe that Christians need this once in a while. We all need to hear something nice.
And before I get jumped on, remember I said “tho of course not everything he says is correct.” But he is not all wrong.
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KendraDZ1902
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He reminds me of a used-car salesman too. LOL.
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KendraDZ1902
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I didn’t think about it like that. It’s just that his theology is so messed up, ya know?It kinda makes sense, in a twisted way. If they’re desperately looking for some sort of hope that they can’t find within themselves, then it’s no surprise that they turn to a preacher who’s selling a ‘Prosperity Gospel’ message – that is, that God wants to give them all the good things in the material world (e.g., health) if only they say ‘yes’ to Him. (And give money to the right preacher, of course, too…
It wasn’t Joel, it was some other guy on this morning. He was talking about planting $1,000.00 seeds. He said that you just have to have faith in God and know your credit card number.
I was like “Whaaa?”
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Little_Sheep
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I’ve never listened to Osteen, but I find the Prosperity Gospel to be repulsive.
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KendraDZ1902
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Some are hoh and you can hear their TVs at the desk. You aren’t missing much not listening to him. I promise.
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Little_Sheep
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I believe you and God bless you!
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PolarGuy
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I LOVE Joel Osteen. I listen to him frequently and think his message is worth hearing.
Slimy? Now why would someone say that about a person whose message is largely one of “trust God and live an upstanding life.” ? Further, do you ever hear anything like his sermons in a Catholic Church? Nope.
Look, folks, there’s a reason catholic pews are emptying and Lakewood church is growing, namely, Osteen is giving people something they need and aren’t getting elsewhere. Rather than trash him or his congregants, Catholics ought to be asking “what is he doing right, that we’re doing wrong?”
Slimy? Now why would someone say that about a person whose message is largely one of “trust God and live an upstanding life.” ? Further, do you ever hear anything like his sermons in a Catholic Church? Nope.
Look, folks, there’s a reason catholic pews are emptying and Lakewood church is growing, namely, Osteen is giving people something they need and aren’t getting elsewhere. Rather than trash him or his congregants, Catholics ought to be asking “what is he doing right, that we’re doing wrong?”
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PolarGuy
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Tablefor9, please explain EXACTLY what Joel Osteen is “telling people that they want to hear.”
His sermon this morning was “how we should pray big prayers” and not limit our petitions to merely mundane things. That’s hardly “what people want to hear.”
His church is packed; he’s written multiple bestsellers. His “night of hope” events pack large arenas. Point is: he seems to rather have an awful lot to say, rather than simply preaching a prosperity gospel, for example. Further, his messages seem to resonate with a lot of people.
I find it noteworthy that someone said, “I’ve never heard him but I hate the prosperity gospel.” It’s noteworthy because the poster admitted to never having heard the man.
I reiterate, Catholics should ask what he’s doing right that we’re doing wrong.
His sermon this morning was “how we should pray big prayers” and not limit our petitions to merely mundane things. That’s hardly “what people want to hear.”
His church is packed; he’s written multiple bestsellers. His “night of hope” events pack large arenas. Point is: he seems to rather have an awful lot to say, rather than simply preaching a prosperity gospel, for example. Further, his messages seem to resonate with a lot of people.
I find it noteworthy that someone said, “I’ve never heard him but I hate the prosperity gospel.” It’s noteworthy because the poster admitted to never having heard the man.
I reiterate, Catholics should ask what he’s doing right that we’re doing wrong.
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Sunbreak
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There are worse things on tv than that. I’ll take Joel Osteen any day over Pat Robertson and the 700 club.
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PolarGuy
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Something else to keep in mind is that a pure “prosperity gospel” message is easily seen through and the messengers of that generally flame out quickly. Very few televangelists have Osteen’s staying power and, again, he writes bestsellers and packs arenas, and shows no signs of slowing down. The man is a lot less Peter Popoff and a lot more Billy Graham IMHO, and a large part of that is his message really isn’t “prosperity gospel.” Rather than dismiss him, that’s all the more reason Catholics should be asking what he’s doing right.
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Casilda
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What he is doing right? He is motivating people, making them feel good about themselves.
What is he doing wrong? Cutting out half the Gospel, making it another Gospel.
What the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic church does right? Preaches the full Gospel of our Lord, Jesus Christ, continues the magesterium as handed down from Christ to the Apostles, and continues those traditions handed down.
What the Catholic Church does wrong? Trying to imitate Protestant churches and preachers.
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PolarGuy
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Casilda, if you’re correct, then why are Catholic parishes emptying? You – and anyone else – can’t really intellectually just blame the Joel Osteens of the world, as he is clearly giving people something they aren’t getting elsewhere. People wouldn’t buy his books, attend his events, etc., if he was really spiritually vacuous.
Look, if you hear the man preach, then compare his sermons to the same tired “this is what we hear today in the readings, yada yada yada”, with no applicability to the real world, that we get in a Catholic homily, and which we forget the minute we walk out the door, you can’t really intellectually compare the quality of the 2: I’m sorry, but that’s a reality, and Osteen is a very gifted preacher.
Do I think the Catholic Church has the fullness of faith? Yes. The Mass has many aspects that a Protestant service can’t duplicate. That said, Osteen is clearly giving something spiritual to his congregants that just doesn’t appear to be existent in Catholic churches these days. As to what that something is, it may be many things, but pure snake oil it isn’t.
“Cutting out half the gospel”? Which “half” are you referring to? That smacks of the same “I’ve never heard him but I don’t like him” stuff that some others seem to adopt, and it really doesn’t impress anyone.
Look, if you hear the man preach, then compare his sermons to the same tired “this is what we hear today in the readings, yada yada yada”, with no applicability to the real world, that we get in a Catholic homily, and which we forget the minute we walk out the door, you can’t really intellectually compare the quality of the 2: I’m sorry, but that’s a reality, and Osteen is a very gifted preacher.
Do I think the Catholic Church has the fullness of faith? Yes. The Mass has many aspects that a Protestant service can’t duplicate. That said, Osteen is clearly giving something spiritual to his congregants that just doesn’t appear to be existent in Catholic churches these days. As to what that something is, it may be many things, but pure snake oil it isn’t.
“Cutting out half the gospel”? Which “half” are you referring to? That smacks of the same “I’ve never heard him but I don’t like him” stuff that some others seem to adopt, and it really doesn’t impress anyone.
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pensmama87
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For a while my MIL would be really annoyed whenever she visited her mother in her nursing home because the TV would always be blaring loud with one of those political programs where people just yell at each other. Her mom couldn’t operate the TV, so it was probably other residents coming to visit, because that was not the kind of thing she liked to watch.
Now there’s a note to the staff to change the channel to EWTN.
Now there’s a note to the staff to change the channel to EWTN.
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