John 10:34-36

[anjoh66]

Hi!

Somebody asked me a question, or rather a statement, that Jesus became man for the sole purpose to make us humans mini gods or devine.

I guess he claims this on basis of John 10:34-36 and Psalm 82.

Then he said do you believe this or not, i wanna know why you either believe it or doesnt believe.

My thoughts is that this belongs in the realm of word of faith theology and has its roots from Copeland and Hagin and i do not believe that the purpose of Jesus was to make human beings devine because he never claimed that, Jesus only said we will be like unto the angels but angels are not gods, not even mini gods.

Does anyone have any thoughts about this?

If this question doesnt belong in the apologetics/scripture mod is free to move it to the suitable forum.

God Bless!

 

[steve9191]

I read the two Scripture passages you wrote; it seems like the following would be more apropos: “Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels?” (1 Cor. 6:2-3).

St. Hildegard (soon to be declared Doctor of the Church) relayed Gods words thusly,“And thus Man, having been delivered, shines in God, and God in Man; Man, having community in God, has in Heaven more radiant brightness than he had before. This would not have been so if the Son of God had not put on flesh” [St. Hildegard of Bingen, Scivias, 87]. And also, “Therefore the human form is to be seen in the inmost nature of the Deity, where neither angels nor any other creatures appear; because My Only-Begotten, to redeem the human race, assumed human form in the flesh of a Virgin” [Ibid., 314].

Man is not divine, but partakes of the eternal dialogue of the Trinity for one reason, and one reason only; The Son of God clothed himself with our flesh—a flesh designed for a one-flesh union (not sense-ably, but meta-sense-ably) with Jesus through Baptism and the Eucharist.

 

[jcrichton]

Hi!

Somebody asked me a question, or rather a statement, that Jesus became man for the sole purpose to make us humans mini gods or devine.

I guess he claims this on basis of John 10:34-36 and Psalm 82.

Then he said do you believe this or not, i wanna know why you either believe it or doesnt believe.

My thoughts is that this belongs in the realm of word of faith theology and has its roots from Copeland and Hagin and i do not believe that the purpose of Jesus was to make human beings devine because he never claimed that, Jesus only said we will be like unto the angels but angels are not gods, not even mini gods.

Does anyone have any thoughts about this?

If this question doesnt belong in the apologetics/scripture mod is free to move it to the suitable forum.

God Bless!

…the error is simple… this person/s do not see that Jesus is quoting Scriptures… “you are gods” has already been stated even before the Word became Incarnate… why would God need to make man divine twice?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jochoa]

Hi!

Somebody asked me a question, or rather a statement, that Jesus became man for the sole purpose to make us humans mini gods or devine.

I guess he claims this on basis of John 10:34-36 and Psalm 82.

Then he said do you believe this or not, i wanna know why you either believe it or doesnt believe.

My thoughts is that this belongs in the realm of word of faith theology and has its roots from Copeland and Hagin and i do not believe that the purpose of Jesus was to make human beings devine because he never claimed that, Jesus only said we will be like unto the angels but angels are not gods, not even mini gods.

Does anyone have any thoughts about this?

This is covered in the Catechism:

460 The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

The question becomes what is the divine nature that we are become one with?
The answer is the Greatest Commandments, which can be defined as: Always be and spread the means to freely be perfectly patient, kind, and motivated with all the body, spirit, thoughts, and will equally towards others and the self for the happiness and unbreakable peace of every relationship, as well as the self.

 

[Mintaka]

“God became Man so that man might become gods” is not something from the prosperity gospel idiots! It’s a quote from an early Christian writer, and is a very common Christian concept… if you understand it correctly, and not in some weird Mormon or Gnostic way.

What the Eastern church likes to call “divinization” is what the West calls “justification”. It’s all about becoming holy through living in Jesus Christ, at one with Him. Becoming truly Christlike makes us godlike in some ways, which is another one in the face to the Devil’s lies in Eden.

The poster before didn’t put out the footnotes from the Catechism passage:

79 - St. Irenaeus, Adversus haereses (Against the Heresies). 3, 19, 1: PG 7/1, 939.
80 - St. Athanasius, De incarnationis (Of the Incarnation), 54, 3: PG 25, 192B.
81 - St. Thomas Aquinas, Opusculum 57, 1-4.

Here’s a nice translation of Of the Incarnation. It’s a fast but meaty read.

Here’s Book 3, Chapter 19 of St. Irenaeus’ book, with the passage quoted in the Catechism. But really, the whole third book is all about Jesus’ incarnation and why He came to us.

This kind of stuff, you don’t really want to read in bits and pieces.