John 18:3 How many were in a detachment?

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My wife brought this up to me and I had never heard this before-

She heard that the word detachment would translate into 600 soldiers that escorted Judas on his way to betray our Lord. I have NEVER heard this mentioned. I cannot find any information on this, does anyone have any info on the word detachment as it relates to the number of troops?
 
John’s Gospel in the New American Bible says that Judas got a “Band” of soldiers.

A Cohort is 600 men. A Cohort is one tenth of a Legion which was typically 6000 men.

There were also ten Tribunes in the earlier years of Rome. These were highly respected officers who were elected to protect the people from corrupt nobles and politicians. They usually had a Maniple of soldiers, or about 200 with them. When the first emperors of Rome took over in 28BC, the powers of the Tribune were greatly diminished and the name Tribune eventually became associated with general officers.

A “Band” of soldiers could have been a Maniple (200) under the command of the Tribune. Or a Detachment could have been a Cohort of 600 soldiers. Either way, I don’t really know.

Interestingly, Matthew’s Gospel with the theme of Jesus as the King, states that Judas came with a “Crowd” and has Jesus speaking as a military commander. When Peter cuts the high priest’s servant’s ear off, Jesus tells Peter to put away his sword and says…

Do you think that I cannot call upon my Father and he will not provide me at this moment with more than twelve legions of angels? (Matthew 26:53)

Twelve legions of angels is a lot of angels! :eek:

-Tim-
 
Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible
A band - Την σπειραν, The band or troop. Some think that the spira was the same as the Roman cohort, and was the tenth part of a legion, which consisted sometimes of 4200, and sometimes of 5000 foot. But Raphelius, on Matthew 27:27, has clearly proved, from Polybius, that the spira was no more than a tenth of the fourth part of a legion. And as the number of the legion was uncertain, and their divisions not at all equal, no person can tell how many the band or spira contained. See many curious particulars in Raphelius on this point, vol. i. p. 351, edit. 1747. This band was probably those Roman soldiers given by the governor for the defense of the temple; and the officers were those who belonged to the Sanhedrin.
Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
Judas then having received a band of men,… From the captain of this band, who in John 18:12; is called a “Chiliarch”, that is, a commander of a thousand men, one might conclude there were so many in this band; but it seems, that such an officer might have two bands under his command; and if this was, the case, there were at least five hundred men in this company; a large number indeed, to take an unarmed person; and yet, as if this was not sufficient, it is added,
and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees; servants that belong to each of these, and who seem to be a considerable number also; for these are said to be “a great multitude”; Matthew 26:47; nay, not only so, but the chief priests, captains of the temple, and elders of the people, were themselves among them, Luke 22:52; to see that the men did their work, and did not return without him; as these officers, when sent by them once before, did:
cometh thither with lanterns, and torches, and weapons: (etc etc etc)
So, Bible scholars can’t agree, either, as to how many soldiers there were. 😛
 
Here is an interesting set of details from the Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich from her vision of this passage
The band of men chosen to accompany Judas was composed of twenty soldiers, selected from the temple guard and from others of the military who were under the orders of Annas and Caiphas. They were dressed very much like the Roman soldiers, had morions like them, and wore hanging straps round their thighs, but their beards were long, whereas the Roman soldiers at Jerusalem had whiskers only, and shaved their chins and upper lips. They all had swords, some of them being also armed with spears, and they carried sticks with lanterns and torches; but when they set off they only lighted one. It had at first been intended that Judas should be accompanied by a more numerous escort, but he drew their attention to the fact that so large a number of men would be too easily seen, because Mount Olivet commanded a view of the whole valley. Most of the soldiers remained, therefore, at Ophel, and sentinels were stationed on all sides to put down any attempt which might be made to release Jesus. Judas set off with the twenty soldiers, but he was followed at some distance by four archers, who were only common bailiffs, carrying cords and chains, and after them came the six agents with whom Judas had been in communication for some time. One of these was a priest and a confidant of Annas, a second was devoted to Caiphas, the third and fourth were Pharisees, and the other two Sadduceans and Herodians. These six men were courtiers of Annas and Caiphas, acting in the capacity of spies, and most bitter enemies of Jesus.
 
A chiliarch wouldn’t necessarily have all his troops with him, all at once. Some would have to stay at whatever their normal guard job was, for instance, so he could really only have his off-duty and extra guys with him. Probably he would have tried to bring more experienced men with him, leaving the newbies behind.
 
My wife brought this up to me and I had never heard this before-

She heard that the word detachment would translate into 600 soldiers that escorted Judas on his way to betray our Lord. I have NEVER heard this mentioned. I cannot find any information on this, does anyone have any info on the word detachment as it relates to the number of troops?
D-R Bible:

John 18:3 Judas, therefore, having received** a band of soldiers**, and servants, from the chief priests and the Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns, and torches, and weapons.

NAB:

John 18:3 So Judas got** a band of soldiers** and guards from the chief priests and the Pharisees and went there with lanterns, torches, and weapons.

RSV-CE:

John 18:3 So Judas, procuring a band of soldiers and some officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees, went there with lanterns and torches and weapons.
 
A cohort of soldiers numbered 480 men (not 600) since there were 6 centuries of 80 men in a regular cohort. As to the number of Roman soldiers I would think they would have 2 centuries (160). Usually the number in a cohort varied so I’m not sure as to what type of cohort or what number of legionary cohort John speaks of.
 
*Speira, *the word used in John 18:3, was the standard Greek translation of the Latin word *cohors. *But was it John’s intention to state that they sent exactly a cohort, no more and no less? That seems unlikely.
 
This is a three year old dormant thread. We are not to resurrect old threads. Even if the same topic is to be discussed a new thread should be opened.
 
This is a three year old dormant thread. We are not to resurrect old threads. Even if the same topic is to be discussed a new thread should be opened.
Thanks for that. I never noticed!
 
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