John 19:26-27: Why was John (or 'the disciple whom he loved') not immediately persecuted?

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John 19:26-27 [from USCCB online bible]

26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son.”

27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.

The eve just prior to Jesus’ crucifixion the apostles all scattered in fear of their lives. There appears to be no biblical record that any of them, save John, was present during the crucifixion, presumably for the same reason. Yet, here, not only is John present, but Jesus even points him out in the crowd as someone he intimately knew. Why then was John not immediately, or even shortly thereafter persecuted by the authorities as well, let alone His own mother, stepfather (Joseph), and the others mentioned by virtue of their association?

By the way, where was Joseph?
 
At the time, Palastine was a powder keg. Jesus was not the only rabble rouser (at least that was what he was from the authoities point of view), just the latest. In addition, there were several groups in authority; the Romans, the Temple leadership, and Herod (I think he was still the client king). None of them wanted to touch off a civil war and none wanted to give the others any additional power, so in addition, there were turf wars between them all.

Remember also that Pilate really did not want to condem Jesus (I find no guilt in Him), and his wife also advised against it. He did so only at the behest of the High Priests and the Temple Guard.

I suspect that after the crusifixtion, Pilate would have put a hold on harrassment of Jesus’ followers hoping the death of their leader would cause the problem to die down. The Romans were experienced at running an empire and knew about martyrs long before Christians came on the scene.

As for Joseph, he would have been dead. If he had been alive, Jesus would not have had to give Mary over to the care of John.
 
Think about who was at the scene. The Disciple, Mary and other women, and Roman soldiers. There may have been representatives of the Temple as well. If there were and they saw Jesus’ followers, they would have already figured out who they were. So what Jesus said would not have told them anything new. The soldiers, there to carry out the executions, would not have cared. Jesus did not say anything against the Empire, or say that these people were insurrectionists.

Jesus was the accused and the one being executed. He was the one claiming to be the Messiah, not John or the other disciples. The Jewish leaders probably considered His followers as dillusioned simpletons who would soon forget all about Jesus. And at that time His followers were not yet being persecuted or hunted by the Romans. With their leader “gone”, they were not perceived as a danger to the realm. That would change soon enough.
 
John 19:26-27 [from USCCB online bible]
The eve just prior to Jesus’ crucifixion the apostles all scattered in fear of their lives. There appears to be no biblical record that any of them, save John, was present during the crucifixion, presumably for the same reason.
See John 18:15;

Peter and the sons of Zebedee were always with Jesus on special private occasions. Here, James has split – but both Peter and John are still together.
There is some kind of association between John and the High Priest mentioned there; so he was on good terms with the Pharisees in some way.

From the speeches of the rulers (and high priest), it ought to be clear that even some of them were disciples of Jesus – but secretly – for the high priest was envious.

John 3:1-2 Nicodemus, a “ruler” of the Jews. John 7:50 Nicodemus speaks up.
Matthew 27:18
Mark 15:10

Peter could have stayed, but notice who is accusing him: not someone because he is a disciple – but someone who is related to the person that Peter cut the ear off of.
Peter, I think, would have followed to the cross if it were not that he had shown himself an enemy of the High Priest’s servant; and as a sword swinger Rome would execute him… The healed ear might not have been sufficient to save him, in his own eyes.

As Jesus said, those who live by the sword – die by it.

Notice also, that Caiphas’ prophecy is that it is better for one man to die, than all.

The high priest had to force Pilate to crucify Jesus by threatening a riot.
Rome would crush any rebellion, but that wouldn’t matter for Pilate – he would still be guilty of mis-management.
He really didn’t want to persecute the followers of Jesus (they were in the thousands.) and none were causing Pilate problems.
His problems came from the Pharisees.

Nor were the Pharisees rabid about killing anyone except Jesus in whom all the powers came; and who railed against the Pharisees as murderers of the prophets, etc.

Nicodemus was in danger of loosing his position more than his life.
I expect the same is true with John – He was in more danger of loosing a friendship/family tie – than his life.

John is a curiosity, though, for the High Priest is a family of money and influence. John, however, is partners with Peter and Andrew, and his own brother James – in a fishing business. Peter’s family is not learned, nor affluent. But John, from the style and vocabulary of his Gospel had training of some kind – for he has a subtle flair in his writing, like much of the LXX (Greek OT by Jewish scribes.).
Although, I have only studied parts of his writing – so am not sure if he is consistently this way throughout – it is obvious that he knows fine details of the religion which would be something learned in some kind of formal study – similar to that which St. Paul had.
 
I think the inward lives of Jesus and John can be viewed ,somewhat at least, in the story of David and Jonathan. David being St John and Jonathan being Jesus.

A deep philial experience that involves everyone around them. David sat at king Saul’s table as a son. Jonathan handed over his kingdom to David.
Huiou Theou: quote:

Notice also, that Caiphas’ prophecy is that it is better for one man to die, than all.

It seems the prophetic permeated the whole place. Like the whole world and man’s pilgrimage through it focused like a lens on one tiny spot. There seemed a nuance in your post. Were you suggesting the possibility that Ciaphas meant it to be heard as a prophecy? Something unfolding just as the Pharisees planned?
 
At the time, Palastine was a powder keg. Jesus was not the only rabble rouser (at least that was what he was from the authoities point of view), just the latest. In addition, there were several groups in authority; the Romans, the Temple leadership, and Herod (I think he was still the client king). None of them wanted to touch off a civil war and none wanted to give the others any additional power, so in addition, there were turf wars between them all.

Remember also that Pilate really did not want to condem Jesus (I find no guilt in Him), and his wife also advised against it. He did so only at the behest of the High Priests and the Temple Guard.

I suspect that after the crusifixtion, Pilate would have put a hold on harrassment of Jesus’ followers hoping the death of their leader would cause the problem to die down. The Romans were experienced at running an empire and knew about martyrs long before Christians came on the scene.

As for Joseph, he would have been dead. If he had been alive, Jesus would not have had to give Mary over to the care of John.
Thanks for the comment about Joseph. Although it now seems obvious to me, I guess I never really thought about that. btw, you misspelled crucifixion (maybe I did too…LOL).
 
See John 18:15;

Peter and the sons of Zebedee were always with Jesus on special private occasions. Here, James has split – but both Peter and John are still together…

Peter could have stayed, but notice who is accusing him: not someone because he is a disciple – but someone who is related to the person that Peter cut the ear off of.
Peter, I think, would have followed to the cross if it were not that he had shown himself an enemy of the High Priest’s servant; and as a sword swinger Rome would execute him… The healed ear might not have been sufficient to save him, in his own eyes.
Okay, I’m confused. You say, “Here, James has split – but both Peter and John are still together.” It doesn’t make sense if by “here” you mean at the cross, which I suspect you don’t mean because in the following paragraph you indicate that Peter was NOT at the crucifixion.
 
Okay, I’m confused. You say, “Here, James has split – but both Peter and John are still together.” It doesn’t make sense if by “here” you mean at the cross, which I suspect you don’t mean because in the following paragraph you indicate that Peter was NOT at the crucifixion.
“Here” is the scripture passage John 18:15 noted right before the remark.
It isn’t the cross yet, rather that passage is when Jesus is taken to the high priest.

Take a peek at John 18:15 – I don’t have time to cut and paste it; but perhaps someone else will…
 
It seems the prophetic permeated the whole place. Like the whole world and man’s pilgrimage through it focused like a lens on one tiny spot. There seemed a nuance in your post. Were you suggesting the possibility that Ciaphas meant it to be heard as a prophecy? Something unfolding just as the Pharisees planned?
I don’t think we can know whether Caiphas knew he was speaking prophetically, most of the time he seems to be very much a pragmatist and this certainly seems like what he was trying to be in this case. But the Gospel writer says it was prophetic - and since Caiphas WAS the High Priest that year, it would have been part of his role.

It is intriguing to wonder what John’s “in” with the authorities was - both his access to the inner court and, much later, why exile instead of execution?
 
It is intriguing to wonder what John’s “in” with the authorities was - both his access to the inner court and, much later, why exile instead of execution?
I think maybe it was a clear conscience. As it pertains to the time of Jesus death. Remember John was the only one who knew he wasn’t the betrayer with confidence eneogh to ask Jesus who it was. Peter was next in confidence. These two follow untill Peter’s courage failed. As mentioned in a previous post maybe if he hadn’t cut off the soldiers ear he could have followed Jesus all the way to the cross too.
 
“Here” is the scripture passage John 18:15 noted right before the remark.
It isn’t the cross yet, rather that passage is when Jesus is taken to the high priest.

Take a peek at John 18:15 – I don’t have time to cut and paste it; but perhaps someone else will…
Yes, thank you. I read it. That clarifies things a bit. Now, you have accounted for Peter, and presumed that he probably would have been at the cross had circumstances varied slightly, and we know John was at the crucifixion, however, that still doesn’t account for the rest of the apostles. Where were they all, and if they weren’t at the cross, why not, unless for fear of their lives? If they were there and the Scriptures just didn’t mention them, then you would think that Tradition would account for that.

BTW, it is interesting how John (well, we assume it was John, even though the passage isn’t explicit) was with Jesus when He was brought before the high priest.
 
=Genesius;5509339]Why then was John not immediately, or even shortly thereafter persecuted by the authorities as well, let alone His own mother, stepfather (Joseph), and the others mentioned by virtue of their association?
All of the above are good reasons. I want to add that Jesus willed that John not die. In John 21;22 Jesus says this about John “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?”…The saying spread abroad among the disciples that this disciple was not to die"
WHen Jesus said John would not die until he comes he obviously meant when he comes to him in the vision that John gives us in the book of Revelation. John died shorly after that was written.
By the way, where was Joseph?
No record of his death but it appears he had died years earlier.
 
Yes, thank you. I read it. That clarifies things a bit. … that still doesn’t account for the rest of the apostles. Where were they all, and if they weren’t at the cross, why not, unless for fear of their lives?
The fact that they were found in the upper room behind locked doors when Jesus visited them, would indicate that too. But it wasn’t from the Romans that they hid.
The gospel writing concerning Pilate indicates that some of the disciples were at the judging (Or at least ones like Nicodemus who weren’t known). And certain details about the scourging indicate that it was a public event as well. In neither of these events, though, are the eye-witnesses disclosed; It might be that it would be easier to have been in a defiled place (Pagan Judgment hall) because the leaders of the Jews (priests) had to celebrate the second passover – eg: a concession in the law of Moses for people who happened to be unclean at the first passover. The priests were unable to enter, and had to stay outside the main public area.

Notice, though, that the apostles are taken an beaten by the Sanhedrin and commanded not to speak in Jesus’ name – but they are not executed – at a later date. This is repeated several times: but it only occurs when they speak publicly.
It is not necessary that they be in fear of their lives from the actual authorities.
There is, however, the fear of a Mob – once Jesus is condemned to death.

St. Paul, the regular Jewish people attempted to kill at the temple for something he didn’t even do. eg: he was attacked because of his association with someone considered “unclean” who entered the temple – perhaps in the part he was legally entitled to , or perhaps he penetrated farther; racial bias was the root cause.

We know so little about certain of the apostles that there is nothing to go on regarding their motives; But – some of them, we do know their history.
Matthew, for example, was a tax collector. By the comon Jew, he would be considered a traitor and despised in any event. Once the followers of christ were subjected to doubt – he would have had a double fear of mobs.

Others of the twelve may have had their faith totally shaken; for Jesus is condemned to death – something many did not understand was part of the scriptures; Remember, Jesus prayed for Peter that his faith not fail – and said to him, that after the predicted betrayal, once he has returned to his senses, that he should strengthen the others of the twelve.

Peter was to be the foundational Rock to whom the other apostles were secured in the storm that followed the scandal of Jesus’ death. It is the trial of Faith that is the most heavily stressed: Satan wishes to sift you like wheat…(The more expensive of the grains)

It is on the last supper’s eve, remember, that Jesus first institutes the new passover which is the same night he is taken prisoner; The most difficult to understand of the teachings of Christ was given to them – his body – before his capture. Their faith was being severly tried; all the scriptures were teaching of this event; and it took an understanding of all these scriptures to grasp the meaning.

Some of the disciples, on the road to Emmaeus – were given the explanation after his resurrection; eg: How and why this death had to be. That alone is enough to suggest that many of them were bewildered by the events; and did not have time to think the problem through. Fear is natural in even an intimidation scenario where doubts abound and death isn’t the main threat.

Consider also: Peter, James, and John were the three that had more evidence than the rest. It is these three that he showed his glory on Mt. Tabor; Two of them showed up at his trial. The eldest, and the youngest of the twelve.
It is more a puzzle to me that James is never mentioned than any of the others – for James had witnessed enough to have a foundation for overcoming doubts.
Peter began to follow Jesus, even though Jesus told him he would deny him.
His was the harder decision; He who wondered at the supper whom the betrayer would be; with his fear peaked, and James and John asking for the the throne through their mother. Zebedee’s son’s.

It would be expected, that since John was a brother to James – that whatever “in” John had would be shared by his brother.

There is also one other speculative possibility, and that is that there is a theological reason of some kind (fulfillment of scripture) that the others would not have been there. I am uncertain of exactly what this would be; but it might also be that any apostles who had been there were only on the fringes of the crowd. Peter and his writer Mark were not there; Matthew was not there; Luke is still a Gentile. So the only one who was an eyewitness of the evangelists would be John.

If the others did not speak up about where they were; it would never have been recorded. Notice: some of the twelve don’t show up in tradition about ANYTHING they did; nor are they recorded in scripture. Yet we know they existed.

To the OP: I think it does explain why they were not persecuted actively – although it doesn’t explain all their actions.
Something to ponder…

(PS. If you saw Kevin & wife Serena, it would likely have been at St. Joseph’s. They do go to St. Vincent’s, but I am not certain that it is very often. You have good parishes, anyhow! – Though they said St. Joseph’s had changed quite a bit in the last 5 years or so… one of the Priests was a bit caustic toward the extra pious…
normal stuff…
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(PS. If you saw Kevin & wife Serena, it would likely have been at St. Joseph’s. They do go to St. Vincent’s, but I am not certain that it is very often. You have good parishes, anyhow! – Though they said St. Joseph’s had changed quite a bit in the last 5 years or so… one of the Priests was a bit caustic toward the extra pious…
normal stuff…
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Thank you for your extensive response. Concerning St. Joseph’s, it is a much larger parish than St. Vincent De Paul, but I noticed that it does seem a bit more ‘conservative’, for lack of a better term, in some ways (which I appreciate). Anyway, It would kind of be like asking me, having been a Marine, if I knew someone you knew who was in the Marines at some point. Kind of a long shot, but worth asking…(-;
 
Why wasn’t he persecuted? That’s easy, Divine Providence. Don’t forget John was the youngest of the Apostles and the one who was to take care of Jesus’ mother. Because of that duty John is spared persecution until Mary’s earthly life is over.
 
Why wasn’t he persecuted? That’s easy, Divine Providence. Don’t forget John was the youngest of the Apostles and the one who was to take care of Jesus’ mother. Because of that duty John is spared persecution until Mary’s earthly life is over.
 
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