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Is the verse where Jesus turns the water into wine literal or is it supposed to be symbolic?

And also, a silly question to add, but a friend told me that the turning water into wine, was taken from Dyonis (Greek God of wine).
This isn’t true is it!?

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lemonbeam said:
Is the verse where Jesus turns the water into wine literal or is it supposed to be symbolic?

And also, a silly question to add, but a friend told me that the turning water into wine, was taken from Dyonis (Greek God of wine).
This isn’t true is it!?

Thanks
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Hi, lemonbeam. I truly don’t know about the second part of your question, however, the first part is definitely literal. Jesus having changed the water into wine (at the directive of His mother) is a prefiguring of wine into His blood at the Last Supper and at Mass. It literally happened. John’s Gospels often point out the symbolisms and prefigurings, but that doesn’t mean the events didn’t literally take place.

As an aside, it was Mary who prompted Jesus to perform this miracle before it was time (“My time has not yet come”), but Jesus obeyed His mother nonetheless. That is why it is so important to rely on Our Blessed Mother for intercession. She takes our requests directly to her Son, who NEVER refuses her. That, too, is the lesson Jesus wanted to teach. But remember, Mary told the stewards at the wedding to “Do whatever He tells you”. So the three points Jesus wants to convey by His working of this literal miracle at the Wedding at Cana are:
  1. At Mass the bread and wine are truly changed into the body, blood, soul and divinity of Our Lord;
  2. Mary has a strong influence with her Son when used as an intercessor;
  3. Mary says we must listen to whatever He tells us.
 
lemonbeam said:
Is the verse where Jesus turns the water into wine literal or is it supposed to be symbolic?

And also, a silly question to add, but a friend told me that the turning water into wine, was taken from Dyonis (Greek God of wine).
This isn’t true is it!?

Thanks
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I would take the water into wine literal just as taking wine as the blood at the Eucharist literally
 
lemonbeam said:
Is the verse where Jesus turns the water into wine literal or is it supposed to be symbolic?

And also, a silly question to add, but a friend told me that the turning water into wine, was taken from Dyonis (Greek God of wine).
This isn’t true is it!?

Thanks
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I’ve just had a quick look at all the threads you have started.
Are you really Catholic or just playing a game with us. Your threads would indicate you hardly know anything about your faith.
 
A weeklong celebration, and they are only on the third day (in my opinion), and they resort to water to celebrate?!?!?

No, Jesus turned it into wine just as the text says. If it was water, what would be the miracle?!?
 
thistle said:
I’ve just had a quick look at all the threads you have started.
Are you really Catholic or just playing a game with us. Your threads would indicate you hardly know anything about your faith.
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I don’t believe he is Catholic. He has started more threads than you can imagine questioning just about everything. Lemonbeam why don’t you give us some history about yourself and why so many questions about things you should already know if you are Catholic?
 
lemonbeam said:
And also, a silly question to add, but a friend told me that the turning water into wine, was taken from Dyonis (Greek God of wine).
This isn’t true is it!?

Thanks
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Greek mythology, as well as Roman mythology and other ancient religions, had many stories that seem similar to Bible stories. This is not any “plagiarism” on the part of the Gospel writers. Rather, these ancient stories–pure fiction–are glimpses into the Truth of God that people got before “the fullness of time had come,” and Jesus Christ spelled it out for us.
For example, there are gods who rose from the dead, performed miracles, were born of virgin godesses, and so forth.
Sounds to me like people were thirsting for Christ’s coming more than they knew!
 
Yes, it is both.

Moses first sign was turning water into blood. Jesus first sign (being the new Moses) turns water into wine which is called the blood of the grape. (Gen 49:11; Deut 32:14)

An abundance of wine is a sign of the messianic age (Isa 25:6; Joel 3:18; Amos 9:13)
 
An analysis of some of the lies dispersed among the, mostly Gnostic, “Jesus was just the Jewish Dionysis” crowd, can be found HERE.

I’d also like to add that a common tendency in sloppy pseudo-historicity, is to not analyze when certain facts of a historical character are actually attached to that character. Paganism was/is a very organic and fluid metaphysical worldview, that is constantly modifying, adding, subtracting, and embellishing pre-existing stories in response to environmental and cultural introductions.

Just because the earliest evidence of a belief in Greek god “X” comes from a mention in a poem from 800 B.C., doesn’t mean that all traits eventually attributed to him in 170 A.D. were accepted during that entire time span. Seemingly Christian similarities were sometimes new additions to the original pagan myths.

It always amuses me how these Jesus Myth proponents hardly ever stop to ponder whether the pagan gods were influenced BY Jesus instead.
 
thistle said:
I’ve just had a quick look at all the threads you have started.
Are you really Catholic or just playing a game with us. Your threads would indicate you hardly know anything about your faith.
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I am doing Bible study.
 
ricko said:
I don’t believe he is Catholic. He has started more threads than you can imagine questioning just about everything. Lemonbeam why don’t you give us some history about yourself and why so many questions about things you should already know if you are Catholic?
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I have answered the question to another person on this thread. I am doing Bible study, I am Catholic. Can I not enquire?

And I am not a He, I am female. 😃
 
Josephus wrote of Jesus:

“Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”

Notice that Josephus doesn’t say that Jesus was the “doer of wonderful symbols.”
 
lemonbeam said:
I have answered the question to another person on this thread. I am doing Bible study, I am Catholic. Can I not enquire?

And I am not a He, I am female. 😃
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Of course you can enquire. Of course, it would be more beneficial to you if you actually participated in any of the conversations you start. It is more than obvious that many of your sources are ridiculous ant-Catholic websites. I certainly hope, if it is your Bible study group who are feeding you this garbage, that you quit that group and find a Catholic group. You certainly seem to need basic Catholic education, at the very least.

As I said in another of your threads, it would be most beneficial to you if you actually respond to and participate in the threads you start.
 
thistle said:
I’ve just had a quick look at all the threads you have started.
Are you really Catholic or just playing a game with us. Your threads would indicate you hardly know anything about your faith.
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Thistle,Old Bean,I made the same challenge to Lemon and was assured by her that she was a Catholic who knows practically nothing about her faith and that she is not a poseur no matter how much she seems to fit the profile of a non-Catholic pretending to be Catholic and posting credulous and disengenuous questions.She stated to me that she is a Catholic and I accept that as there is no way anyone would ever lie about something like that.
 
lemonbeam said:
I am doing Bible study.
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Lemon,I hope that the Bible Study that you are involved with is Catholic as it would be dangerous in the extreme for such a poorly catechised and unknowledgeable Catholic such as yourelf to be involved with a non-Catholic one.Is it Catholic?If it’s not you are in danger.
 
lemonbeam said:
Is the verse where Jesus turns the water into wine literal or is it supposed to be symbolic?

And also, a silly question to add, but a friend told me that the turning water into wine, was taken from Dyonis (Greek God of wine).
This isn’t true is it!?

Thanks
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It doesn’t matter whether it is literal or symbolic… The Bible is meant to be interpreted for the message of G-d…Do you think literally turning water into wine is useful in the message of G-d? Well I don’t, what is important is that we search for the message behind the words…
 
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