John 21:19 How does death glorify God

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Hi my Christian friends.
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Jesus himself, to me, witnesses what he ought have hinted and meant while proclaiming the Sign of Jonah. Like Jonah he was with the grace of GodAllahYHWH not to die a cursed death on the Cross but he was to live longer and to accomplish his mission like Jonah did when he survived death in the belly of the fish.

Jesus himself told his people that the sheep of the house of Israel who resided in and around Judea were not the only sheep, and that he was sent by God not only to them but also to the other sheep of the same flock. Just as he had come to reclaim them he would also go and rescue the others as well.

I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. (John 10:16)

Now according to common knowledge, between the time of his promise and Crucifixion, he never left the land of Judea for anywhere else. The question is; if Jesus went up to heaven forever, had the lost sheep of Israel also lifted up to heaven earlier? The Christian believe that after having been taken down from the cross as dead, his soul returned to his body after three days or so and then he was seen climbing into the clouds and disappeared into heaven, only to reach ultimately the throne of his Father and to sit on his right hand for ever from then on.

If this is true then we will be faced with a very serious problem indeed. We shall have to choose between the two opposing positions. One that Jesus took himself and the other by his followers. The two positions are so different that accepting one would certainly go against the other. If Jesus was right as we believe he was, then before ascending to heaven he should have remembered his own promise and sought some more time from ‘God the Father’ to delay his stay a bit longer on earth to enable him to go to the countries where many of the Israeli tribes before him had gone and settled. He could not have ascended to heaven without breaking his promise and trust, harming and irreparably damaging his perfect God, perfect Man image. This would be a blemish on his part.

If on the other hand, the common concept given by Christians is to be considered right and it is accepted that Jesus actually forgot his promise to the house of Israel and left straight for the heavens, then we must conclude with a burden on our heart that the common approach is right then we are sorry to exclaim that Christianity turns out to be untrue, because if Jesus is proved to be untrue Christianity cannot be true.

We believe that he was a true prophet of God and could not have made a false promise. What he meant by the lost sheep were the ten tribes of Israel, who had earlier migrated from Judea and had gone to far off eastern lands. Jesus’ promise, therefore, was that he would not be killed on the cross but would be given a long life to pursue his mission and that he was a prophet not just for the two Israeli tribes living in Jerusalem but for all the Israelites.

Reading the two witnessings of Jesus together, the meaning of the Jesus in ‘Sign of Jonah’ gets cleared and provides the positive indication that Jesus was to live longer on earth to accomplish his mission, yet incomplete like Jonah.
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I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
 
Paar, once again, you jump to conclusions. Read John, Chapter 21 one more time and tell me what Jesus says to Peter!
 
Paar, also read Mark Chapter 16 verse 15 , Mathew chapter 28 verses 19 and 20
 
Hi my Christian friends.
May God bless you!


Reading the two witnessings of Jesus together, the meaning of the Jesus in ‘Sign of Jonah’ gets cleared and provides the positive indication that Jesus was to live longer on earth to accomplish his mission, yet incomplete like Jonah.
I love Jesus and the Christians
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I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
Hi Ahmadi,

Don’t you find it unusual that, if Jesus remained alive and went to all these others, there is no record of it - in Christian history or elsewhere. It would mean that the apostles and all those early Christians lied about Jesus. So all those who would have followed Our Lord after the crucifixion would be separate from them; would have a whole different history of Jesus. This history would of course go back in time to the crucifixion. Where is this history and even more so, where is this church?

God bless you,
Nita
 
Hi Ahmadi,

Don’t you find it unusual that, if Jesus remained alive and went to all these others, there is no record of it - in Christian history or elsewhere. It would mean that the apostles and all those early Christians lied about Jesus. So all those who would have followed Our Lord after the crucifixion would be separate from them; would have a whole different history of Jesus. This history would of course go back in time to the crucifixion. Where is this history and even more so, where is this church?

God bless you,
Nita
OK, let’s just go with Paar’s assumption.

A) Jesus predicted that he was going to come close to death, and then he would revive and move a huge stone and escape to perpetuate the rumor.

B) This would have to be done with the aid of accomplices. Let alone the fact that Jesus would have had to have been psychic.

C) The same accomplices all died rather than admit to this truth.

Sure, I’d buy that for a dollar! 🙂
 
Thank you to all who participated - this thread is now closed. Should a debate be desired regarding the historicity of Jesus’ death on the cross, please start a thread in the Apologetics forum.

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