John 21:22 question

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  • Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?” *
what does this mean? Didn’t the early christians believed that Jesus would return during the apostles lifetime?
 
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  • Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?” *
what does this mean? Didn’t the early christians believed that Jesus would return during the apostles lifetime?
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This is a reference to St. John that he will die a natural death…and he is in fact, the only one not to be martyred.

haydock1859.tripod.com/id114.html

Ver. 22. Jesus saith: so I will have him remain,[3] &c. That is, in case I will have him remain; or, as it is in the Greek, if I will have him remain, what is that to thee? It is thy duty, and thy concern, to follow me. (Witham) — When Christ told St. Peter to follow him, he meant, that he should go like himself to the death of the cross; but when he says of St. John, So I will have him to remain till I come, he insinuates that his beloved disciple should not undergo a violent death; but remain in the world, till he should visit him by death, and conduct him to glory. It may likewise be understood of the Revelations, in which our Saviour manifested himself in his glory to this his beloved disciple. [Apocalypse i. 13.] In the Greek, it is, if I will have him to remain; and this is the true reading, according to Estius, and Jansenius, bishop of Ghent, authorized by many Latin copies. Others refer these words of Christ to his coming to destroy Jerusalem: an epoch which St. John survived.
 
pablope said:
This is a reference to St. John that he will die a natural death…and he is in fact, the only one not to be martyred.

haydock1859.tripod.com/id114.html

Ver. 22. Jesus saith: so I will have him remain,[3] &c. That is, in case I will have him remain; or, as it is in the Greek, if I will have him remain, what is that to thee? It is thy duty, and thy concern, to follow me. (Witham) — When Christ told St. Peter to follow him, he meant, that he should go like himself to the death of the cross; but when he says of St. John, So I will have him to remain till I come, he insinuates that his beloved disciple should not undergo a violent death; but remain in the world, till he should visit him by death, and conduct him to glory. It may likewise be understood of the Revelations, in which our Saviour manifested himself in his glory to this his beloved disciple. [Apocalypse i. 13.] In the Greek, it is, if I will have him to remain; and this is the true reading, according to Estius, and Jansenius, bishop of Ghent, authorized by many Latin copies. Others refer these words of Christ to his coming to destroy Jerusalem: an epoch which St. John survived.
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Keep in mind that John remained alive even after the Temple had fallen, and some had considered that Christ came in a sense by the way of judgment for His rejection by the Jews when the Temple fell in 70 A.D.
 
I think Christ is referring to John being the only disciple who would see the destruction of Jerusalem and die a natural death.

Jesus has just told Peter that he will crucified and Peter inquires about John and Jesus basically is telling Peter to mind his own business. Scripture tells us James died very early on and tradition tells Peter and Paul both died during the reign of Nero. I am not sure about the other Apostles, but Polycarp (<-- ?) told us John died around the turn of the century so he certainly would have seen or known of the destruction of the Temple.

Furthermore we know of one extra-biblical source that tells of the destruction of Jerusalem and clearly sees it as a judgement from God. Namely Josephus.

So yeah I think that is what Christ meant.

God Bless
 
To me it meant “just do as I tell you and do not be concerned with what I’m doing elsewhere with anyone else.” Or “mind your own buisness.”

Just a thought.
 
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This is a reference to St. John that he will die a natural death…and he is in fact, the only one not to be martyred.
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He is also the only Apostle that did not abandon Jesus. St. John was the only one that stood by him at the cross.
 
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