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Eucharisted
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Coincidence or Divine Providence?
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NotWorthy
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Coincidence.
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Meximo
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I read this to my family and my 14 y/o son said there are no coincidences… or rather coincidence is God’s way of being anonymous… so we agree it is Divine Providence.
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brigid12
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Tell your son that he is wise well beyond his years (at least, in this).
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Shlomey
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John 6:66
66 After this, many of his disciples went away and accompanied him no more.
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and in DRB it’s verse 67
66 After this, many of his disciples went away and accompanied him no more.
NJB
and in DRB it’s verse 67
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NotWorthy
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But the Divine Providence wasn’t there for 1200 years (which is when they added the chapter and verse to Scriptures).
It’s coincidence.
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brigid12
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But, God has foreknowledge.
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cheeto1
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I too have noticed this verse and thought about it. I wonder
what they had changed before they went back to their former
way of life?
what they had changed before they went back to their former
way of life?
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NotWorthy
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True, but not necessarily relevant. Man has his own agenda. Who’s to say the bishop who put the verses in didn’t have his own agenda.But, God has foreknowledge.
I think you’re looking for something that is not there. But it is only my opinion.
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Robbinson
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I’m not sure - but I don’t think it was a Catholic bishop who first created the verse system as we know it in the bible. Anyone know?
Blessings,
Brian
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Shin
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It was a Catholic I believe, though I forget who – but claiming agenda and putting it on Catholics is wrong – It’s God’s agenda. 
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NotWorthy
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The chapters were added in the 11th or 12th century. The verses were added a century later. Since the Reformation hadn’t happened yet…
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cheeto1
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Another thing to remember is that any time there was 1,000
of something, there was at one time 666 of them. There was
also a recent date on the calendar 6/6/6, remember? My
point is that we also have to remember that its also just a number
and God owns all the numbers.
of something, there was at one time 666 of them. There was
also a recent date on the calendar 6/6/6, remember? My
point is that we also have to remember that its also just a number
and God owns all the numbers.
? You can see all sorts of significances, if you create them
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NotWorthy
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The coincidence implied is that the 6-66 verse is where Jesus’ disciples left Him over His teaching of the Eucharist.
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plain_me
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I guess this question got answered as if it was asking whether or not the 666 was providence or not, but since Eucharisted quoted the actual verse, I figured he was talking about the event mentioned in the verse. Maybe, maybe not. I’ll answer it as if he was asking about the verse since he hasn’t responded yet…
I would definitely say providence. Jesus didn’t teach this “hard saying” with the hopes that one thing would happen when something else did. He knew what He was doing and had a specific purpose in mind. Consider this passage:
Though he had done so many signs before them, they still did not believe in him, so that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: “Lord, who has believed what he heard from us, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” Therefore they could not believe. For again Isaiah said, “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”
(Joh 12:37-40 ESV)
John tells us that the Jews didn’t believe in order to fulfill the prophecy that was made through Isaiah way back in the OT. And if you pay close attention, you’ll notice who the “He” was that blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts (it was God, by the way). There is also another verse in the NT that says that the Gospel is preached to some for eternal life and to others for damnation. Specific purposes. God always acts with a specific purpose in mind, and He always accomplishes exactly what He sets out to do. ALWAYS. And this is one big reason why He is to be praised above all things and all people.
By the way, I’ve heard that it was a Roman Catholic guy who added the chapter/verse divisions. I also heard that he seems to have been riding on his horse traveling when he was working on it, making divisions wherever the pencil happened to hit the page. Obviously, this was a joke based on the seemingly arbitrary decisions on where the divisions would be.
I would definitely say providence. Jesus didn’t teach this “hard saying” with the hopes that one thing would happen when something else did. He knew what He was doing and had a specific purpose in mind. Consider this passage:
Though he had done so many signs before them, they still did not believe in him, so that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: “Lord, who has believed what he heard from us, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” Therefore they could not believe. For again Isaiah said, “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”
(Joh 12:37-40 ESV)
John tells us that the Jews didn’t believe in order to fulfill the prophecy that was made through Isaiah way back in the OT. And if you pay close attention, you’ll notice who the “He” was that blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts (it was God, by the way). There is also another verse in the NT that says that the Gospel is preached to some for eternal life and to others for damnation. Specific purposes. God always acts with a specific purpose in mind, and He always accomplishes exactly what He sets out to do. ALWAYS. And this is one big reason why He is to be praised above all things and all people.
By the way, I’ve heard that it was a Roman Catholic guy who added the chapter/verse divisions. I also heard that he seems to have been riding on his horse traveling when he was working on it, making divisions wherever the pencil happened to hit the page. Obviously, this was a joke based on the seemingly arbitrary decisions on where the divisions would be.
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Tarek_Chidiac
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Just to take a share in …
I believe that there is no place for coincidences in The NT. Jesus, indeed, knew what He was doing and had a specific purpose in mind (as Plain_me have said). That Jesus words and acts are (as in 2 Timothy 3:16) “useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness”. So, every chapter or paragraph or even every act is to help us to understand the Divine plan of our salvation.
Divine providence of course … but to teach us What? What The Lord wants us to learn?
The answer,I believe, is not so far . It is in Jhon 6:65.
I quote: " This is why I told you that no one come to me unless The Father has enabled him".
That there is no a “middle” place with our Lord. Or we come to him,or we leave him.
(Just a proposal:
May we share ideas about why many disciples have left Him after His say:" Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life …etc …)
I believe that there is no place for coincidences in The NT. Jesus, indeed, knew what He was doing and had a specific purpose in mind (as Plain_me have said). That Jesus words and acts are (as in 2 Timothy 3:16) “useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness”. So, every chapter or paragraph or even every act is to help us to understand the Divine plan of our salvation.
Divine providence of course … but to teach us What? What The Lord wants us to learn?
The answer,I believe, is not so far . It is in Jhon 6:65.
I quote: " This is why I told you that no one come to me unless The Father has enabled him".
That there is no a “middle” place with our Lord. Or we come to him,or we leave him.
(Just a proposal:
May we share ideas about why many disciples have left Him after His say:" Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life …etc …)
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John7
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666 CCC
Jesus Christ, the head of the Church, precedes us into the Father’s glorious kingdom so that we, the members of his Body, may live in the hope of one day being with him for ever.
Jesus Christ, the head of the Church, precedes us into the Father’s glorious kingdom so that we, the members of his Body, may live in the hope of one day being with him for ever.
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NotWorthy
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But, the chapters and verses are not part of the NT - no more than the commentary.
This is simply a man-made coincidence.
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plain_me
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I really appreciate the fact that you pointed out the real reason why the disciples left in verse 66, Tarek. It would be nice if some people reading would take a look at the whole story back to verse 26 (most significantly, though, verse 28), and notice (by the grace of God) that Jesus’ use of the phrases “eat my flesh” and “come to Me” and “believe in Me” all have the same meaning in the context. The funny thing is that not many people have noticed this fact and pointed out the reason for all the disciples’ leaving was because of the offense to their pride by telling them that they couldn’t even come on their own.
You did, on the other hand, ask why the disciples left after He said “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life …etc …” Am I misunderstanding you? Are you just asking why people think that they left mainly because of this claim?
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