John 6 and the Last Supper

[Radyj]

I am looking for writings of the early fathers of the church and/or doctors of the church linking the text of John 6 to the Institution of the Eucharist . I have found one attributed to St Augustine found here sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/matthew-gospel-harmony/mt-1/mt-2/mt-3/mt-4/mt-5/mt-6/mt-7/mt-8/mt-9/mt-10/mt-11/mt-12/mt-13/mt-14/mt-15/mt-16/mt-17/mt-18/mt-19/mt-20/mt-21/mt-22/mt-23/mt-24/mt-25/mt-26

Let us commence here, accordingly, with the notice presented by Matthew, [which runs thus]: “And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to His disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.”(Mt 26:26) Both Mark and Luke also gave this section.(Mark 14:22 Luke 22:19) It is true that Lc has made mention of the cup twice over: first before He gave the bread; and, secondly, after the bread has been given. But the fact is, that what is stated in that earlier connection has been introduced, according to this writer’s habit, by anticipation, while the words which he has inserted here in their proper order are left unrecorded in those previous verses, and the two passages when put together make up exactly what stands expressed by those other evangelists. John, on the other hand, has said nothing about the body and blood of the Lord in this context; but he plainly certifies that the Lord spake to that effect on another occasion,(Jn 6:32-64) with much greater fulness than here.

I thank anyone who takes the time to put there two cents in on this subject

 

[sousley]

If you’re looking for early writing from the Fathers about Eucharist try this link:

therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html

Hope it helps

 

[capablanca911]

I am looking for writings of the early fathers of the church and/or doctors of the church linking the text of John 6 to the Institution of the Eucharist . I have found one attributed to St Augustine found here sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/matthew-gospel-harmony/mt-1/mt-2/mt-3/mt-4/mt-5/mt-6/mt-7/mt-8/mt-9/mt-10/mt-11/mt-12/mt-13/mt-14/mt-15/mt-16/mt-17/mt-18/mt-19/mt-20/mt-21/mt-22/mt-23/mt-24/mt-25/mt-26

Let us commence here, accordingly, with the notice presented by Matthew, [which runs thus]: “And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to His disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.”(Mt 26:26) Both Mark and Luke also gave this section.(Mark 14:22 Luke 22:19) It is true that Lc has made mention of the cup twice over: first before He gave the bread; and, secondly, after the bread has been given. But the fact is, that what is stated in that earlier connection has been introduced, according to this writer’s habit, by anticipation, while the words which he has inserted here in their proper order are left unrecorded in those previous verses, and the two passages when put together make up exactly what stands expressed by those other evangelists. John, on the other hand, has said nothing about the body and blood of the Lord in this context; but he plainly certifies that the Lord spake to that effect on another occasion,(Jn 6:32-64) with much greater fulness than here.

I thank anyone who takes the time to put there two cents in on this subject

Have you tried this part of the Aquinas Study Bible?

sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/gospel-of-john-commentary/catena-aurea-on-john/chapter-2/chapter-3/chapter-4/chapter-5/chapter-6

 

[Radyj]

Thanks, will definitely read the links posted. I’m looking for text that links John 6, and the last supper. I am engaged in running dialogue with a former Catholic now Baptist Seminarian. I present John 6 in the context that I understand It, that is Christ laying the ground work for the institution of the Eucharist. His reply is “You can’t just go linking different chapters from different books like that, He’s talking about something else.”

Ergo I am looking for text supporting John 6 as the seguaeway to the Last Supper

 

[PJM]

=Radyj;10157296]I am looking for writings of the early fathers of the church and/or doctors of the church linking the text of John 6 to the Institution of the Eucharist . I have found one attributed to St Augustine found here sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/matthew-gospel-harmony/mt-1/mt-2/mt-3/mt-4/mt-5/mt-6/mt-7/mt-8/mt-9/mt-10/mt-11/mt-12/mt-13/mt-14/mt-15/mt-16/mt-17/mt-18/mt-19/mt-20/mt-21/mt-22/mt-23/mt-24/mt-25/mt-26

catholicfaithandreason.org/the-early-church-fathers-speak-about-the-eucharist.html

columbia.edu/cu/augustine/a/eucharist-q.html

thesacredpage.com/2011/04/eucharistic-theology-of-early-church.html

The early Church Fathers interpreted these passages literally. In summarizing the early Fathers’ teachings on Christ’s Real Presence, renowned Protestant historian of the early Church J. N. D. Kelly, writes: “Eucharistic teaching, it should be understood at the outset, was in general unquestioningly realist, i.e., the consecrated bread and wine were taken to be, and were treated and designated as, the Savior’s body and blood” (Early Christian Doctrines, 440).

Ignatius of Antioch
“I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible” (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]).

“Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2–7:1 [A.D. 110]).

Justin Martyr
“We call this food Eucharist, and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration * and is thereby living as Christ enjoined. For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus” (First Apology 66 [A.D. 151]).

Irenaeus
“If the Lord were from other than the Father, how could he rightly take bread, which is of the same creation as our own, and confess it to be his body and affirm that the mixture in the cup is his blood?” (Against Heresies 4:33–32 [A.D. 189]).

“He has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be his own blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own body, from which he gives increase unto our bodies. When, therefore, the mixed cup [wine and water] and the baked bread receives the Word of God and becomes the Eucharist, the body of Christ, and from these the substance of our flesh is increased and supported, how can they say that the flesh is not capable of receiving the gift of God, which is eternal life—flesh which is nourished by the body and blood of the Lord, and is in fact a member of him?” (ibid., 5:2).

Clement of Alexandria

“’Eat my flesh,’ [Jesus] says, ‘and drink my blood.’ The Lord supplies us with these intimate nutrients, he delivers over his flesh and pours out his blood, and nothing is lacking for the growth of his children” (The Instructor of Children 1:6:43:3 [A.D. 191]).

Thank you Jesus!*

 

[Radyj]

Thank you PJM, Not quite what I was looking for. I am aware of the multitude of quotations on the real presence in the Eucharist, I am however looking for something a little more specific, such as the Absence in John’s telling of the Last Supper of the Breaking of Bread and Sharing of the Cup being likely because he went into the subject with much greater detail in John ch 6.

 

[DCNBILL]

Thank you PJM, Not quite what I was looking for. I am aware of the multitude of quotations on the real presence in the Eucharist, I am however looking for something a little more specific, such as the Absence in John’s telling of the Last Supper of the Breaking of Bread and Sharing of the Cup being likely because he went into the subject with much greater detail in John ch 6.

Note that when the Gospel of John was written the Eucharist was being celebrated regularly by the faithful everywhere. What you are looking for will most likely not be documented as this was undersood in the early Church.