John 8:41 - Non-Catholics: Was Jesus' Mother calumnised?

[MartinJordan]

It has been brought to my attention that some are saying the Pharisees calumnised Jesus’ Mother. Which Christian groups are taught this?

Never heard of it personally. Of course isolated verses can support anything one wants out of it.

Comments?

MJ

 

[Casilda]

The Eastern Orthodox taught that when archaeologists unearthed the city of Pompeii, there was vile graffiti vilifying the Mother of God. We all know what happened to Pompeii.

 

[MartinJordan]

The Eastern Orthodox taught that when archaeologists unearthed the city of Pompeii, there was vile graffiti vilifying the Mother of God. We all know what happened to Pompeii.

How is this connected in context to John 8:41?

MJ

 

[Todd977]

They said to him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.” (John 8:41)

I really don’t think the Jews were trying to insult Jesus and his mother, as if they said:
“We were not born of fornication like you were, Jesus; we have one Father, even God.”

On the contrary, I think they simply meant:
“We were not born of fornication as you seem to be implying, Jesus; we have one Father, even God.”

 

[SyroMalankara]

It could be an accusation. In one edition (don’t remember if it’s Palestinian or Babylonian) Talmud, it accuses Jesus of being the bastard child of Mariam and a Roman soldier.

Jerusalem Talmud (Talmud Shabbat 104b, Sanhedrin 67a):

“Jesus son of Stada is Jesus son of Pandira?”

Rav Hisda said, “The husband was Stada and the lover was Pandera.”

“But was not the husband Pappos son of Yehuda and the mother Stada?”

No, his mother was Miriam, who let her hair grow long and was called Stada. Pumbedita says about her: “She was unfaithful to her husband.”

Jesus in the Talmud by Peter Schäfer (Aug 24, 2009) ISBN 0691143188 pp.9, 17, 141:

His mother’s true name was Miriam, and “Stada” is an epithet which derives from the Hebrew/Aramaic root sat.ah/sete’ (“to deviate from the right path, to go astray, to be unfaithful”). In other words, his mother Miriam was also called “Stada” because she was a sotah, a woman suspected, or rather convicted, of adultery."

More:en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud

 

[MartinJordan]

They said to him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.” (John 8:41)

I really don’t think the Jews were trying to insult Jesus and his mother, as if they said:
“We were not born of fornication like you were, Jesus; we have one Father, even God.”

On the contrary, I think they simply meant:
“We were not born of fornication as you seem to be implying, Jesus; we have one Father, even God.”

Correct.

MJ

 

[Casilda]

Sorry. Syromalankara filled in my blank. The Jews are implying Jesus is a b@stard, therefore Mary was an @dultress, that was the basis of the graffiti in Pompeii.

 

[SyroMalankara]

Here’s a little more info on the Pompeii graffitti: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexamenos_graffito

 

[MartinJordan]

Sorry. Syromalankara filled in my blank. The Jews are implying Jesus is a b@stard, therefore Mary was an @dultress, that was the basis of the graffiti in Pompeii.

On the basis of John 8:41 that St John is writing when Jesus is questioned and responds isn’t connected however to the Pompeii graffiti.

MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

Here’s a little more info on the Pompeii graffitti: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexamenos_graffito

Interesting. No mention of Mother Mary however.

MJ