John Hagee at it again!!

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Dancelittleewok said:
Destruction–are you refering to the Tribulations? Do you believe in the Rapture?
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I do, do you?

We won’t go through the Tribulation because God doesn’t subject the saved to Wrath. “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Thessalonians 5:9

Jesus talking to the Church of Philadelphia
“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, which shall come upon all the world, to test those who dwell upon the earth.” Rev. 3:8-10

Jesus said this after the apostles asked, when will the end come.
“Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” LUKE 21:36
This came out of the mouth of JESUS.

And I’m sure you are aware of 1 Thes. 4:16-18

Look back to Noah and Lot’s day. Both Noah and Lot lived in very wicked times. God needed to judge this evil. In Noah’s day the whole earth had become evil, and in Soddom and Gahmorra God could’nt even find ONE good person. In both of these accounts God chose to REMOVE the righteous prior to the judjment of the unbelievers.

Here is what awaits the people who don’t get “caught up” with the Lord in the air.

-The economy will crash…Rev 6:6
-every mountian and Island will be moved…Rev 6:14
-Before the Great Tribulation(3.5 years after the Trib.) Silence will fall in heaven for 30 min. because all will be shocked by the Wrath of God…Rev 8:1
-A third of the trees, and green grass will be burned up…Rev 8:7
-Hail and fire mingled with blood will fall to the earth…Rev 8:7
-A comet or astroid the size of a Mountain will hit a ocean…Rev 8:9
-Water will not be drinkable…Rev8:10-11
-Demons will be released from hell not to kill, but to sting them like a scorpion for 5 months, and their sting will be felt for 5 months…rev 9:3-5
-Men will want to die but God won’t let them…Rev 9:6
-100 lb hailstones will fall from the sky…Rev 16:21
-The sea will turn to blood…Rev 8:7-8, 16:21
-If you want to live you will have to take the Mark of the Beast…Rev 13:17
-The Antichrist will rule…Rev 13:12
-A third of the population will die (That’s about 2 billion people!)…Rev 9:18

the list actually goes on and on…

There will be 2 witnesses that will preach the word of God during all of this. They will preach for 3.5 years, and then be killed by the anti-christ. They will lie dead for 3.5 days, then God will give them life. Next they will be Raptued up to heaven in front of the whole world, at that time everyone will know exactly what happened to all of the other people that dissapeared. Please read this for your self in the Bible (Rev. 11:3-13)

When will this happen?

“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” Matthew 24:14

We are close.

What is your take on all of this?

(Sorry, I should have made a new thread.)
 
JCPeacekeeper, do you mind if I start another thread about what you’ve posted?
 
JCPeacekeeper said:
Jesus talking to the Church of Philadelphia
“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, which shall come upon all the world, to test those who dwell upon the earth.” Rev. 3:8-10
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"I am going to be Raptured out before the Great Tribulation!"

The most influential American millenarian movement of the last century is premillennial Dispensationalism. Its core tenet is the pretribulation Rapture event. The ongoing impact of Dispensationalism can hardly be overstated, as evidenced by the wildly popular Left Behind books.

One “escape passage” used by pretribulation Rapture advocates is Revelation 3:10 where Jesus instructs John to write these words to the church at Philadelphia: “Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial which is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell upon the earth.” Being kept from the “hour of trial” is interpreted as a reference to the Rapture, when Christians will be translated from earth to be with Christ in heaven.

Yet Revelation 3 never mentions the Rapture or being “taken up” or “translated” to heaven. Rather, Christ’s assurance to the Church is like his request of the Father, “I do not ask thee to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one” (John 17:15), and his statement “In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world” (John 16:33).

Christians have been chosen “out of the world” (John 15:19), but it does not follow that they will be taken out of the world prior to a time of tribulation. The face value interpretation of the text is that Jesus would protect the church of Philadelphia in a special way from the persecutions and turmoil that were about to come on the Church in the first century.

Another Dispensationalist argument for the Rapture is that since the word church does not appear between Revelation 6 and 18, the Church must not go through the tribulations described in those chapters. But this “argument from absence” as it were, applied to other words, leads to odd and untenable conclusions.

For instance, the word *Jesus *does not occur between Revelation 1:9 and 12:17. Does this mean that Jesus is not the subject of Revelation, since his name does not appear for nearly twelve chapters or over half of the book? Because the name Jesus is not used, are references to “the Lion of Judah,” “the root of David,” and “the Lamb” references to someone other than Jesus? Hardly.

A closely related problem is that the words* church* and churches do not appear even after Dispensationalists want the Church back on the scene in chapter 19. These words do not appear after Revelation 3 until the very end of the book (Rev. 22:16). A consistent Dispensationalist who uses this interpretive method would have to conclude that the Church not only does not appear in Revelation 6-18, it disappears altogether.

The Dispensationalist position is hurt also by an argument from the other side of the coin. How do they understand the many references to “the saints” in Revelation 6-18 (8:3-4; 11:18; 13:7, 10; 14:12; 16:6; 17:6; 18:20, 24), not to mention the “great multitude” (7:9), and the “souls of those who had been slain” (6:9)?

It is far more sensible to recognize that “the saints” is a clear reference to the Church and that there is no pretribulational Rapture in the book of Revelation.

catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0209fea5.asp
 
Dancelittleewok said:
JCPeacekeeper, do you mind starting another thread about what you’ve posted? Also, are you a follower of John Hagee?
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Sure, I’d be happy to.

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a member of John Hagee’s church because he is not afraid to preach every word of God.
 
JCPeacekeeper said:
Sure, I’d be happy to.

I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I am a member of John Hagee’s church because he is not afraid to preach every word of God.
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Do you belief Catholics are Christian? John Hagee apparently thinks we catholics aren’t and that our Church fathers are anti-semitic.
 
bones_IV said:
Do you belief Catholics are Christian? John Hagee apparently thinks we catholics aren’t and that our Church fathers are anti-semitic.
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No he doesn’t consider us Christians:
Sister, A Christian is one who believes the Gospel. The Good News - that by grace you are saved, it is a gift from God.
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A Roman Catholic is one who believes the official teachings and traditions of Roman Catholicism.
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There for saying that one is a, “Roman Catholic Christian” is truly an oxymoron.
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forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=1710006#post1710006
 
JCPeacekeeper said:
I do, do you?

We won’t go through the Tribulation because God doesn’t subject the saved to Wrath. “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Thessalonians 5:9

Jesus talking to the Church of Philadelphia
“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, which shall come upon all the world, to test those who dwell upon the earth.” Rev. 3:8-10

Jesus said this after the apostles asked, when will the end come.
“Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” LUKE 21:36
This came out of the mouth of JESUS.

And I’m sure you are aware of 1 Thes. 4:16-18

Look back to Noah and Lot’s day. Both Noah and Lot lived in very wicked times. God needed to judge this evil. In Noah’s day the whole earth had become evil, and in Soddom and Gahmorra God could’nt even find ONE good person. In both of these accounts God chose to REMOVE the righteous prior to the judjment of the unbelievers.

Here is what awaits the people who don’t get “caught up” with the Lord in the air.

-The economy will crash…Rev 6:6
-every mountian and Island will be moved…Rev 6:14
-Before the Great Tribulation(3.5 years after the Trib.) Silence will fall in heaven for 30 min. because all will be shocked by the Wrath of God…Rev 8:1
-A third of the trees, and green grass will be burned up…Rev 8:7
-Hail and fire mingled with blood will fall to the earth…Rev 8:7
-A comet or astroid the size of a Mountain will hit a ocean…Rev 8:9
-Water will not be drinkable…Rev8:10-11
-Demons will be released from hell not to kill, but to sting them like a scorpion for 5 months, and their sting will be felt for 5 months…rev 9:3-5
-Men will want to die but God won’t let them…Rev 9:6
-100 lb hailstones will fall from the sky…Rev 16:21
-The sea will turn to blood…Rev 8:7-8, 16:21
-If you want to live you will have to take the Mark of the Beast…Rev 13:17
-The Antichrist will rule…Rev 13:12
-A third of the population will die (That’s about 2 billion people!)…Rev 9:18

the list actually goes on and on…

There will be 2 witnesses that will preach the word of God during all of this. They will preach for 3.5 years, and then be killed by the anti-christ. They will lie dead for 3.5 days, then God will give them life. Next they will be Raptued up to heaven in front of the whole world, at that time everyone will know exactly what happened to all of the other people that dissapeared. Please read this for your self in the Bible (Rev. 11:3-13)

When will this happen?
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It has 🙂​

“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” Matthew 24:14

We are close.

What is your take on all of this?

(Sorry, I should have made a new thread.)
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That this must be my second shortest post ever 🙂​

 
Boxerdog said:
He latest series is based on “False World Religions” in which he sayes that the following is based on Nimrods Babeloynian religion.

Praying to Mary, Purgatory etc.

He sayes that nimrod created the sacrement system.

Good old Hagee, life must be hard in his church owned 2 million dollar hunting ranch.
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**And his info about Babylonian religion is based on… ? **​

I think it can safely be assumed that he’s not read anything by anyone equipped to talk about it 🙂 ##
 
Boxerdog said:
He latest series is based on “False World Religions” in which he sayes that the following is based on Nimrods Babeloynian religion.

Praying to Mary, Purgatory etc.

He sayes that nimrod created the sacrement system.

Good old Hagee, life must be hard in his church owned 2 million dollar hunting ranch.
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**And his info about Babylonian religion is based on… ? **​

I think it can safely be assumed that he’s not read anything by anyone equipped to talk about it 🙂 ##
 
John Hagee…I watch that guy everyday. I find him both amusing and informative. And not always in a good way. I have watched him when he appears on other peoples shows. It is on those other programs that he really cuts loose on us Catholics. I do not think he really listens to himself or follows his accusations out to their logical conclusions. I would like to know from the writer who says they are a member of his church…which one of the apostles was the protestent? You know the apostle that kept the true teachings of Christ hidden away from Peter and the other disciples that twisted all of Jesus’ teachings and formed the counterfiet religion while the secret apostle kept the true teachings of Christ and secretly passed them on to Luther and Calvin. And then when the world was ready in the mid 1800’s passed on the true teachings regarding the Rapture to Darby? I mean since Jesus said that Hell would not prevail against His Church and the Catholic church was corrupt from conception where and who kept the true faith?:rolleyes:
 
Another thread made me think I assume Hagee has never read the Talmud if the excepts that I have seen about Jesus and Mary are true. I wonder if he would still expose the same ideas if he did.
 
Integritus said:
Indeed. One thing that has always “triggered” an alarm in my spirit of certain Evangelical preachers is if they are very overweight. Excluding the rare disease of people who suffer from natural overweight and the medical inability to lose it, it’s quite clear most of these obese preachers are paying lip-service about sacrifice.

I’m not sure if Catholic priests, bishops, or religious take heed on such warnings concerning their appearances. I hope so. I can’t say I’ve seen even a few Catholic clergy with a very overweight appearance, and considering how many throughout the world.
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I can see what you mean. However, I find priests who promote being celibate and discuss the ills of fornication much worse when they are molesting kids and sleeping around. What about priests who are ministering to people while saying they are gay? These things don’t quite fit in the same category as a few extra burgers around the belt.
 
I can see what you mean. However, I find priests who promote being celibate and discuss the ills of fornication much worse when they are molesting kids and sleeping around. What about priests who are ministering to people while saying they are gay? These things don’t quite fit in the same category as a few extra burgers around the belt.
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Point taken however, you do realize that sexual abuse happens at about the same percentage in Protestant denominations right? That isn’t said to bash Protestantism, all Churches are populated by humans and our race is very flawed. Catholicism seems more dramatic because there are so many of us. Numeretically speaking it’s bound to happen to us more often. That isn’t an excuse just noting nature of things.

There are over 1 billion Catholics in the world. The largest Protestant movement is Pentecostalism and is about 75 million (notice that this 75 million is then split amongst hundreds of denominations). It takes much fewer events to add up to the same percentage.

I grew up in the baptist church and experienced 3 ministers within my own churches being pedophiles. In addition there was another minister that tried to seduce my mother telling her that God told him that they were ment to be together while telling my father that should get a divorce.

Now that is four sexually abusive ministers that I alone experienced. Even with that I don’t think that Baptists have a particular problem. So let’s just keep it honest OK?
 
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