John Hagee: Evangelical Christians are the ‘front line’ for Israel

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Quotes By John Hagee :
one of the best known promoters of the ‘Two Covenant’ Doctrine’

(“San Antonio fundamentalist battles anti-Semitism,” Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1988, sec. 6, pg. 1. PFO Article, “The Other Gospel Of John Hagee”)

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“I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption.”

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“I’m not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith.”

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In fact, trying to convert Jews is a waste of time. ‘The Jewish person who has his roots in Judaism is not going to convert to Christianity. There is no form of Christian evangelism that has failed so miserably as evangelizing the Jewish people. They have a faith structure. Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha’i, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced by Christianity."

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“The Jewish people have a relationship to God through the law of God as given through Moses. I believe that every Gentile person can only come to God through the cross of Christ. I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption. “The law of Moses is sufficient enough to bring a person into the knowledge of God until God gives him a greater revelation. And God has not.

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“The Jews were not rejecting Jesus as Messiah, it was Jesus who was refusing to be the Messiah to the Jews!”

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“There are Jewish people who have relationship with God right now according to the election of grace. (Romans 11:5) … The Jewish people are judicially blinded to the identity of Messiah… Question: If God blinded the Jewish people to the identity of Jesus as Messiah, how could He send them to hell for not seeing what he had forbidden them to see? … Inasmuch as God has blinded them to the identity of Messiah, targeting the Jewish people for mass evangelism is fruitless.”

(John Hagee letter (on Cornerstone Church letterhead) to Erwin M. de Castro of the Christian Research Institute, October 18, 1994, pg. 5, copy on file. Christian Research Institute Article on John Hagee)

No Jew in his or her right mind should support anything Hagee says. His dispensationalist theology (he fancies himself a “prophecy expert”, whatever that is) teaches that all the Jews in the world will immigrate to Israel…where God will promptly wipe them out in the “tribulation”
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You realize that given the eternal covenant between God and the Jewish people we are not worried and welcome his support.
 
Here is what Hagee said after 911:
“Without question, I recognize that the Third World War had begun and that it would escalate from this day until the Battle of Armageddon.”
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We are not to make Israel our good luck charm…those who help Israel will be blessed by God…we have to follow the Lord. There are Israelis there who are nationalistic and do not believe in Him and His commandments.

I believe the Jews will always be the Lord’s chosen people. And it is for a reason they do not accept Christ. In His time, He will open their hearts…and they will be of great help to the devout Gentiles.
 
jam070406 said:
“Christ fulfills the divine promise and supersedes the old law.” Pope John Paul II - Redemptoris Mater
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I retract the portion of my post that conflicts with this doctrine. I misread something else that implied the Jews alone were still eligible for the Old Covenant but I was mistaken.
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger:
It is evident that dialogue of us Christians with the Jews stands on a different level with regard to the dialogue with the other religions. The faith witnessed in the Bible of the Jews, the Old Testament of Christians, is for us not a different religion but the foundation of our own faith.
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Catechism of the Catholic Church:
839 When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, the first to hear the Word of God. The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews ‘belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ,’ (Rom 9:4) for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.

840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.
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In my understanding of covenants, God always upholds his covenants and never breaks one. Non-Jews who were never bound to the Old Covenant are fulfilled by membership in the Church and faith in Christ Jesus.
 
Paul in Galatians says that Jesus is the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham and his true Seed. All those in Christ inherit those promises. In Romans he says the Jewish people were cut off for a time, but God will open their hearts in the future and their inclusion in the Church will bless all people.
 
The devout Jews already have faith in God and are not in need of conversion.

However, I have heard of and read complaints from Jewish Catholic priests as well as Hebrew Catholics who were very much in tune and faithful to their Jewish heritage, but the Scriptures were now pointing them to Christ and His church.

They became frustrated with some clerics when they sought baptism and entrance into the Church. So they went forth, and a number of them now experience being more Jewish in the Catholic Church than before, now they are fulfilled Jews…just as we are, inheriting the Word of God, morality and Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

The Hebrew Catholics know God will reveal Himself again to the Jewish people, and in turn they will be of great help to us.

At times, looking at the great apostasy, world events, I think we are coming to the end of the age of the Gentile, and the public, standard culture of the Church, atleast in many parts of the USA, inspite of growth of converts and new evangelization, are flat.

The Church is in renewal of new blood, and it will come in part by the Hebrew Catholics…the two lamp lights now united.
 
Elizium23 said:
It might interest you to know that the Catholic Church teaches that we should not attempt to convert Jews to Christianity, and that the Old Covenant is still in effect for the Jews.

Article in Baltimore Sun

Nostra Aetate

Relations between Catholicism and Judaism
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Nostra Aetate (the only Church document you link) does not say that we should not attempt to convert Jews.

I am unaware of any magisterial Church document that says we are “not to evangelize/convert Jews”. If you know of one, could you quote the lines and provide a link, or at least give the name of the document.
 
Nita said:
Nostra Aetate (the only Church document you link) does not say that we should not attempt to convert Jews.

I am unaware of any magisterial Church document that says we are “not to evangelize/convert Jews”. If you know of one, could you quote the lines and provide a link, or at least give the name of the document.
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You are asking for a Magisterial document that supports Church discipline? You will not find any such thing. You might as well ask me for a square circle.

Guidelines For Catholic-Jewish Relations
USCCB:
Secretariat for Catholic-Jewish Relations
Bishops’ Committee for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs
National Conference of Catholic Bishops
1985 Revision
  1. Proselytism, which does not respect human freedom, is carefully to be avoided. While the Christian, through the faith life of word and deed, will always witness to Jesus as the risen Christ, the dialogue is concerned with the permanent vocation of the Jews as God’s people, the enduring values that Judaism shares with Christianity and that, together, the Church and the Jewish people are called upon to witness to the whole world.
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Well, Zionism is a bit of a complex problem. Jews have a right to Israel, it goes back to Genesis, and it’s based on being descended from Abraham through Isaac. It’s not conditional. So in that sense Hagee is somewhat right. I don’t think Israel’s right to the land means the right to be a bully, which they do at times. I sympathize with Palestinians when they are actually abused, but even here, there’s a problem because Hamas runs Palestine, and I don’t think you can blame Israel for declaring a war against people who are shooting rockets at them and blowing up major commercial centers or blowing themselves up on buses. Israel has the right to exist.
 
Elizium23 said:
You are asking for a Magisterial document that supports Church discipline? You will not find any such thing. You might as well ask me for a square circle.

Guidelines For Catholic-Jewish Relations
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“Magisterial” was perhaps the wrong word to use. But thank you for the USCCB document - I consider that authoritative.
  1. Proselytism, which does not respect human freedom, is carefully to be avoided.
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…As I read it, I do not see that it says we are not to proselytize/evangelize – just that we are not to do it in a way that does not respect human freedom.
 
Elizium23 said:
You are asking for a Magisterial document that supports Church discipline? You will not find any such thing. You might as well ask me for a square circle.

Guidelines For Catholic-Jewish Relations
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Originally Posted by USCCB
Secretariat for Catholic-Jewish Relations
Bishops’ Committee for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs
National Conference of Catholic Bishops
1985 Revision
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Was too late to just add to my previous post.

I didn’t read the whole document, but it appears to be a set of guidelines for arranged ecumenical dialogs between Catholics and Jews.
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From what I have been taught, certain Evangelical churches are part of the problem. They want the conflict to continue, because they believe once all the Jews return to Israel, Jesus will return in the Second Coming. Any sort of compromise, including a two-state solution, prevents that fulfillment. These same Evangelicals do not really have Israel’s best interest at heart. If they did, they would want to do whatever is necessary to PREVENT further conflict, not blindly encourage it to continue.
 
jam070406 said:
catholicism.org/us-bishops-note-ambiguities-on-the-churchs-mission-and-the-jewish-people.html
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Thanks, very interesting.
An official USCCB response to the unofficial document titled “Reflections on Covenant and Mission” - which was probably the source of the error regarding witnessing to Jews.

A small excerpt from the USCCB document titled: A Note on Ambiguities Contained in “Reflections on Covenant and Mission”
9. Reflections on Covenant and Mission, however, renders even the possibility of individual conversion doubtful by a further statement that implies it is generally not good for Jews to convert, nor for Catholics to do anything that might lead Jews to conversion because it threatens to eliminate “the distinctive Jewish witness”: "Their [the Jewish people’s] witness to the kingdom, which did not originate with the Church’s experience of Christ crucified and raised,must not be curtailed by seeking the conversion of the Jewish people to Christianity."12 Some caution should be introduced here, since this line of reasoning could lead some to conclude mistakenly that Jews have an obligation not to become Christian and that the Church has a corresponding obligation not to baptize Jews.

old.usccb.org/doctrine/covenant09.pdf
 
Tobias2 said:
Do you have a source for this claim?
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The RCC says the Muslins don’t need Christ either, so please tell me the difference, I belleve the Jews pray to the same Christian God, but I don’t believe Allah is the Christian God.

Do you not believe that Jesus is coming back to Jerusalem?
 
KathleenGee said:
The devout Jews already have faith in God and are not in need of conversion.

However, I have heard of and read complaints from Jewish Catholic priests as well as Hebrew Catholics who were very much in tune and faithful to their Jewish heritage, but the Scriptures were now pointing them to Christ and His church.

They became frustrated with some clerics when they sought baptism and entrance into the Church. So they went forth, and a number of them now experience being more Jewish in the Catholic Church than before, now they are fulfilled Jews…just as we are, inheriting the Word of God, morality and Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

The Hebrew Catholics know God will reveal Himself again to the Jewish people, and in turn they will be of great help to us.

At times, looking at the great apostasy, world events, I think we are coming to the end of the age of the Gentile, and the public, standard culture of the Church, atleast in many parts of the USA, inspite of growth of converts and new evangelization, are flat.

The Church is in renewal of new blood, and it will come in part by the Hebrew Catholics…the two lamp lights now united.
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God help us. The resurrection of Judaizing in the Church. The first heresy. Get in line fellas, its time to get cut.
 
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