John Hagee= Extreme Anti- Catholic

[dosdog]

no need to argue. I have very credible sources on these issues and you obviously do not.

Post your sources - Now!! - So I can destroy your fantasy

Financial support for the popularization of eugenics came both from individuals and foundations in America. In 1906, John Harvey Kellogg created the Race Betterment Foundation in Battle Creek Michigan, which sponsored a series of conferences at its sanitarium in 1914, 1915, and 1928. Beginning in 1910, the Eugenics Record Office propagandized eugenics with financial support from Mrs. E. H. Harriman and the leadership of Charles Davenport and Harry Laughlin.

Buck v. Bell supplied a precedent for the eventual sterilization of approximately 8,300 Virginians. Borrowing from Laughlin’s Model Law,

the German Nazi government adopted a law in 1933 that provided Laughlin proudly published a translation of the German Law for the Prevention of Defective Progeny in The Eugenical News
healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/library/historical/eugenics/index.cfm

eugenicsarchive.org/html/eugenics/essaystextonly.html

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

John Hagee is only Anti-Catholic because he is Pro-Bible/Word of God. If you love one you have to hate the other.

That’s going to surprise a great many Catholics - I don’t think that anti-Catholics, no matter how well-intentioned, are in any position to tell us what we do or don’t hate.​

There simply is no contradiction between loving the Bible & loving the CC

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Post your sources - Now!! - So I can destroy your fantasy

Financial support for the popularization of eugenics came both from individuals and foundations in America. In 1906, John Harvey Kellogg created the Race Betterment Foundation in Battle Creek Michigan, which sponsored a series of conferences at its sanitarium in 1914, 1915, and 1928. Beginning in 1910, the Eugenics Record Office propagandized eugenics with financial support from Mrs. E. H. Harriman and the leadership of Charles Davenport and Harry Laughlin.

Buck v. Bell supplied a precedent for the eventual sterilization of approximately 8,300 Virginians. Borrowing from Laughlin’s Model Law,

the German Nazi government adopted a law in 1933 that provided Laughlin proudly published a translation of the German Law for the Prevention of Defective Progeny in The Eugenical News
healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/library/historical/eugenics/index.cfm

eugenicsarchive.org/html/eugenics/essaystextonly.html

That would be rather useful if one were trying to make a case against the USA - as those of us from elsewhere may sometimes be tempted to do ​

 

[dosdog]

That would be rather useful if one were trying to make a case against the USA - as those of us from elsewhere may sometimes be tempted to do ​

(This article first appeared in the January 20, 1992 edition of Citizen magazine)

At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the “black” and “yellow” peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger’s American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

A favorite Catholic-baiter of Sanger’s was Norman E. Himes, who contributed articles to Sanger’s journal. Himes claimed there were genetic differences between Catholics and non-Catholics.

Are Catholic stocks . . . genetically inferior to such non-Catholic libertarian stocks and Unitarians and Universal . . . Freethinkers? Inferior to non-Catholics in general? . . . my guess is that the answer will someday be made in the affirmative. . . and if the supposed differentials in net productivity are also genuine, the situation is anti-social, perhaps gravely so.

Sanger sought to isolate Catholics by creating a schism between them and Protestants, who had held parallel views of birth control and abortion for centuries. She welcomed a report from a majority of the Committee on Marriage and the Home of the General Council of Churches (later the National Council of Churches) advocating birth control. This committee was composed largely of social elite Protestants, including Mrs. John D. Rockefeller, Jr. A number of Protestant church bodies publicly repudiated the committee’s endorsement.

It was in 1939 that Sanger’s larger vision for dealing with the reproductive practices of black Americans emerged. After the January 1939 merger of her Clinical Research Bureau and the ABCL to form the Birth Control Federation of America.

Gamble lost no time and drew up a memorandum in November 1939 entitled “Suggestion for Negro Project.” Acknowledging that black leaders might regard birth control as an extermination plot, he suggested that black leaders be place in positions where it would appear that they were in charge as it was at an Atlanta conference.

blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

 

[wisdomseeker]

i watched him before. i got tired of his Apocalipse interpretations. it is nonsense. i know he probably sell many books on that. he is a sad man needing to convert to Catholicism, So his mind can be clear and sound. he lost it. it seems like Apocalipse is the only book of the Bible to him. Let’s all pray for him. anyway since the reformation they done nothing but attack the Catholic Church try to steal the faithfull and discrete the Church of Jesus. no hate protestant just a reminder to my brothers and sisters. If you all remember back in Genesis when God created man and woman, what happened then? the devil out of jeaulosi tried to steal God’s creation by lies. he told Eve that God lied about the fruit of the tree. and Even fell for it. instead of asking God first. so as many Catholics leaves the True Church because of many lies told by protestans. God bless all.

 

[fierysword1920]

no need to argue. I have very credible sources on these issues and you obviously do not.

So much for your credible sources huh:shrug:

 

[BrewMax]

So much for your credible sources huh:shrug:

why must I show proof of my sources? So you can refute them and attempt to dismantle them with your Catholic biased propaganda?? I don’t think so. I have grown very tired of the tirades and attacks on Protestants and those who will not blindly follow the Roman church.

 

[BrewMax]

I have shown my sources several times here on several threads only to have them mindlessly refuted and infiltrated. If God himself came here and showed proof of the many errors of the Catholic faith, he would be serenaded with likewise treatment.

 

[dosdog]

I have shown my sources several times here on several threads only to have them mindlessly refuted and infiltrated. If God himself came here and showed proof of the many errors of the Catholic faith, he would be serenaded with likewise treatment.

Pastor John Hagee gives sodomizer Rabbi Ben Zion Sobel A $1,000,000 check

He admits that Sobel only molested “about ten boys”. How many boys does a rabbi have to sodomize before he’s called a predator?
theawarenesscenter.org/Sobel_BenZion.html

Originally Posted by dosdog
Post your sources - Now!! - So I can destroy your fantasy

Financial support for the popularization of eugenics came both from individuals and foundations in America. In 1906, John Harvey Kellogg created the Race Betterment Foundation in Battle Creek Michigan, which sponsored a series of conferences at its sanitarium in 1914, 1915, and 1928. Beginning in 1910, the Eugenics Record Office propagandized eugenics with financial support from Mrs. E. H. Harriman and the leadership of Charles Davenport and Harry Laughlin.

Buck v. Bell supplied a precedent for the eventual sterilization of approximately 8,300 Virginians. Borrowing from Laughlin’s Model Law,

the German Nazi government adopted a law in 1933 that provided Laughlin proudly published a translation of the German Law for the Prevention of Defective Progeny in The Eugenical News
healthsystem.virginia.edu…nics/index.cfm

eugenicsarchive.org/html/…stextonly.html

 

[dosdog]

1936 February 4 Swiss Nazi Party leader Wilhelm Gustloff is assassinated by David Frankfurter, a Jew.

1936 June 4 Leon Blum becomes the first socialist and the first Jew to serve as premier of France. Presiding over the Popular Front coalition of Socialists, Communists, and liberals, he responds to worker unrest with reforms such as paid vacations, collective bargaining, and the 40-hour work week.

1936 Summer Hitler finds a strange rock he calls Wotan’s Hand and mounts it in a special glass case, displaying it as though it were a holy relic.

1936 September 18 (Earl)David Lloyd George publicly expresses enthusiam for Hitler and his regime after visiting the Fuehrer in Germany.

1936 November 8 The National Christian Party stages the largest antisemitic demonstration in Romanian History. National-Christian Defense League;

1936 December 25 The U.S. announces new agreements that facilitate trade with Germany. (Edelheit)

1936 January 4 Ambassador Bergen in Rome writes to German foreign minister von Neurath that the Pope is protesting the violations of the Concordat by the Hitler government, and has several times threatened to bring his complaints into the open. It has taken the moderation of Secretary of State Pacelli to prevent a rupture of relations. (Lewy)

1936 January 25 The Catholic Agency of Poland officially condemns antisemitic acts. (Edelheit)

1936 February 6 The German Ministry of the Interior decrees that a system of records be set up to cover hereditary biological data on all patients in mental hospitals and institutions. (Science)

1936 March 14 Socialists, Communists and Syndicalists burn churches in the center of Madrid.

1936 May 11 Pope Pius XI describes Communism as the “greatest evil to men.”

1936 May 23 Catholic bishops in Holland demand a ban on the Dutch Nazi party. (Edelheit)

1936 June 20 The Bavarian Political Police issue orders to take into custody all priests who dare to criticize an order dismissing all nuns teaching in the public schools, which is scheduled to be announced the following day. Vicar General Buchwieser of Munich (in charge of the diocese in the absence of Cardinal Faulhaber) instructs the clergy to read a joint pastoral letter of the Bavarian bishops criticizing this order.That same evening the government gives in and instructs the police to merely record the names of priests who read the pastoral letter. (Lewy)

1936 June 21 The Bavarian government publicly reads the order dismissing all Catholic nuns teaching in the public schools.
humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/timebase/1936tbse.htm

 

[dosdog]

1937 February 10 Nazi officials close all Catholic schools in Bavaria.

1937 March 14 A papal encyclical, Mit Brennender Sorge (With Burning Sorrow) is published, dealing with the condition of the Catholic Church in Germany and condemning Nazi racism.

1937 March 21 Mit brennender Sorge, is read from the pulpits of all Catholic Churches in Germany on Palm Sunday. It has been smuggled into Germany, secretly printed and distributed by messenger throughout the nation. “With deep anxiety and with ever-growing dismay” Pius XI says he has watched the tribulations of the Catholic Church in Germany. The Concordat of 1933 is now being openly violated, and the conscience of the faithful oppressed as never before. True belief in God, the Pope declares, is irreconcilable with the deification of earthly values such as race, people or the state. Important as these are in the natural order, they can never be the ultimate norm of all things. Belief in a national God or a national religion, similarly is a grave error. The God of Christianity cannot be imprisoned “within the frontiers of a single people, within the pedigree of one single race.” (Lewy)

1937 March 22 The Gestapo confiscates all copies of the Pope’s encyclical it can find. Twelve print shops are soon closed and dispossessed without compensation for having printed the encyclical letter. Strong protests are lodged with the bishops and the Vatican. (Lewy)

1937 March 26 The Pope publishes an encyclical entitled Divini Redemptoris, condemning atheistic Communism.

1937 April 12 The German Foreign Ministry sends a note of protest to Papal Secretary of State Pacelli describing the Pope’s encyclical as a call to battle against the leadership of the German state and a grave violation of the Concordat (See March 21). (Lewy)

1937 April 16 Swiss officials announce that they are refusing to grant permanent resident permits to German Jewish refugees to avoid flooding the labor market.
humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/timebase/1937tbse.htm

Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Vol. 1
Indictment : Count Three
The Nazi conspirators destroyed 1,670 Greek Orthodox churches, 237 Roman Catholic churches, 67 chapels, 532 synagogues, etc. They broke up, desecrated, and senselessly destroyed also the most valuable monuments of the Christian Church, such as Kievo-Pecherskaya Lavra, Novy Jerusalem in the Istrin region, and the most ancient monasteries and churches.

On the territory of the Soviet Union the Nazi conspirators destroyed or severely damaged 1,710 cities and more than 70,000 villages and hamlets, more than 6,000,000 buildings and made homeless about 25,000,000 persons.
yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/count3.htm

 

[mangy_dog]

I just watched Hagee and he made the following statements

No difference between Catholics and Muslims in terms of killing Jews

Crusades were about killing Jews by Catholics

Hitler and The Catholic Church were one

Catholic Church stole money from Jews

Please watch this program today, its on many different channels and should repeat tomorrow, this is classic bad history in regards to the Catholic Church.

For these and other distorted and veiled reasons is that Hagee is an intransigent, fundamentalist, the sky is falling, protestant.
Hitler and the Catholic Church??!!? No difference between the Catholics and the Muslims?!
It’s curious that Hagee would accuse the CC of being in cahoots with Hitler while at the same time using Hitler’s own techniques of distorting the truth and veiling it in ambiguity.
Mr. Hagee, your religion (if truly Christian) came from the Catholic Church, you are literally cutting your nose off to spite your face. Mr. Hagee, when “your, the sky is falling prophecies” do come to pass, you’d be well advised to know where home is. The Catholic Churhc is the one, true church that Christ intended to exist after His ascension into heaven and of which He left Peter as its first Pope, 263 popes later to Benedict XVI. You and all true christians will find themselves running back to it when the days of darkness do come to pass.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[Roy5]

I haven’t been able to get Hagee in this area. Or, maybe I simply haven’t come across him on our TV.

But I have read his books and have followed him fairly closely.

His effectiveness comes from his style of preaching, which I find offensive but millions are swayed by such dynamic delivery backed by what seem like rapid-fire facts and total conviction. 

 In a word or two, Hagee is totally committed to Israel and everything Israel does. He presses the idea that Israel is the 'apple of God's eye', that the Jewish people are God's chosen people, and that Christians and the USA must back Israel no matter what.

  He is a Christian Zionist. Such people, along with the strong Israel lobby, are in large part responsible for the mess we're in in the Middle East. Had we been a fair-minded broker, the Israel/Palestine issue might have been solved years ago. But the Israel lobby and demagogues like Hagee have frightened politicians and misled millions of Americans.

   Everyone should read "The Israel Lobby and U. S. Foreign Policy" (approximate title) by Mearsheimer and Walt, two professors.

   We can be both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian at the same time. Our lavish financing of Israel set the stage for growing hatred for the USA and eventually played a key role in leading to 9-11. We need to be an honest broker, with genuine sympathy for Israelis and Palestinians, and not a willing tool of Israel.

   It wouldnt surprise me if Hagee is anti-Catholic. He is ignorant, full of prejudices, and very glib in expressing them.

 

[Metaron]

I just watched Hagee and he made the following statements

No difference between Catholics and Muslims in terms of killing Jews

Crusades were about killing Jews by Catholics

Hitler and The Catholic Church were one

Catholic Church stole money from Jews

Please watch this program today, its on many different channels and should repeat tomorrow, this is classic bad history in regards to the Catholic Church.

What a vile, blaspemous heretic. He is slanderous and a liar… I wish someone Catholic would challenge him to a theological debate-- his clumsy Anti-Catholic comments would trip him up for sure.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Queen Elizabeth I - Jews and Catholics
The Elizabethan era saw great forms of prejudice against people who did not adhere to the Protestant religion. But the prejudice against Catholics related to their faith whilst the Anti-Semitism extended to the whole of the Jewish race as well as their religion.

Queen Elizabeth I and the Jews
There were a small number Jews in Elizabethan England. Jews had long been restricted to only two occupations - money lending and as peddlars. Elizabethan Jews would have had to outwardly conform to the Christian Protestant religion. Any adherence to the Jewish religion would have been undertaken in utmost secrecy, just as with the Catholics.

she had more Catholics executed during her reign than Mary had Protestants during hers,

No - under Mary, in a period of three years (1555-58) there were 287 burnings. Some of those executed would have put to death by any court in Europe.​

In the 32 years 1570 to 1602, about 200 Catholics were executed; some of them undoubtedly deserved it. Of the total number, 190 are considered as martyrs. There were also executions of extreme Protestants in 1593.

It’s hard to see any difference to speak of between the various churches - blood is blood, whether one is Catholic, Lutheran, Calvinist, or anything else. So much for the the “religion of love” Naturally, there were plenty of Biblical, theological,canonical & legal justifications for the blood-letting, on all sides

 

[rtconstant]

I haven’t been able to get Hagee in this area. Or, maybe I simply haven’t come across him on our TV.

But I have read his books and have followed him fairly closely.

His effectiveness comes from his style of preaching, which I find offensive but millions are swayed by such dynamic delivery backed by what seem like rapid-fire facts and total conviction. 

 In a word or two, Hagee is totally committed to Israel and everything Israel does. He presses the idea that Israel is the 'apple of God's eye', that the Jewish people are God's chosen people, and that Christians and the USA must back Israel no matter what.

  He is a Christian Zionist. Such people, along with the strong Israel lobby, are in large part responsible for the mess we're in in the Middle East. Had we been a fair-minded broker, the Israel/Palestine issue might have been solved years ago. But the Israel lobby and demagogues like Hagee have frightened politicians and misled millions of Americans.

   Everyone should read "The Israel Lobby and U. S. Foreign Policy" (approximate title) by Mearsheimer and Walt, two professors.

   We can be both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian at the same time. Our lavish financing of Israel set the stage for growing hatred for the USA and eventually played a key role in leading to 9-11. We need to be an honest broker, with genuine sympathy for Israelis and Palestinians, and not a willing tool of Israel.

   It wouldnt surprise me if Hagee is anti-Catholic. He is ignorant, full of prejudices, and very glib in expressing them.

His fixation on Isreal has even led him to declare that Jesus is not the Messiah.

 

[Metaron]

No - under Mary, in a period of three years (1555-58) there were 287 burnings. Some of those executed would have put to death by any court in Europe.​

In the 32 years 1570 to 1602, about 200 Catholics were executed; some of them undoubtedly deserved it. Of the total number, 190 are considered as martyrs. There were also executions of extreme Protestants in 1593.

It’s hard to see any difference to speak of between the various churches - blood is blood, whether one is Catholic, Lutheran, Calvinist, or anything else. So much for the the “religion of love” Naturally, there were plenty of Biblical, theological,canonical & legal justifications for the blood-letting, on all sides

In other words, Protestants killed Catholics, Catholics killed Anglicans, Anglicans killed Catholics, Catholics killed Protestants, Protestants killed Anabaptists, etc, etc,… This argumentation over killing is useless. We can’t blame just one side. It was every side…

 

[justinthemartyr]

I do not remember any of these churches teaching to murder anyone else.

It all comes down to individual sin.

 

[seekerz]

Pastor Hagee has never accused a practicing catholic that he isn’t saved. All he says is that Mary cannot save you. Nor praying to “saints” will save you. No one but Jesus Christ can save you. I have listened to him for 10 years and during that time not once did I hear him say to all of the catholics who listen in to leave the Roman Church.

His love for the Jews is absolute, to his merit. It is his uncompromising belief that they remain God’s Chosen. They have been blinded to Jesus As Messiah for His time when Jesus will return. Hagee has only tried to help many of the scattered Jews return to the Land God gave to them in a Covenent, and that covenenat is unbreakable. God said so.

This man’s ministry has reached millions and has brought them to Christ. This is no evil man but a man being used by God. All you want to do is see the non-catholic label . I am so sick of the brethen doing this to each other. We may not all have the same dogma but we all are Christians.

And Jesus , the Lord of lords and Kings of kings must be the center of our admiration.

We must face the fact that many of our traditions that have become our sacrements developed from roman society practices. Do they, in their present form, amount to paganism? NO! It is too bad we chrsitians didn’t stay with Judaic -style of worship which is what I believe we will be doing when Jesus returns wearing His prayer shawl. After all, it has the Name of God in the corner knotted tassle.

The Roman Church did do horrific things. Some popes have played the political game in order to allow this institution to survive, When they should have let God take care of it, if it was to be His Will.

Please do not doubt my soul for it is quite saved thank you very much. When I die my next breath will be in Heaven. Yes I am forgiven by the shed Blood of Lord. My sins will be buried in the Sea of forgetfullness, never to be remembered any more by God Himself. My life, yes it will be judged by Chrsit when He sits on the Burma Judgement Seat. Most of it will be burned up for so much of my life i have trashed in sin. But I will win a few crowns that I can throw at His Feet. And a few jewels to be woven into my robe. And God Himself will wipe away all my tears and I will touch His Face.

I love my Roman Catholic Church. But no sermon I ever heard told me this truth that is biblically based.

Doxiemom

Good to hear you are Catholic. As for Hagee, I no longer listen to him because:

1. I feel that he places too much emphasis on the Jews (my bible says that in Christ we are no longer gentile or Jew, slave or free…and many other wonderfully comforting promises that apply equally to people of faith everywhere)
2. His fascination with the end times, to me borders on sensationalism. When and how Jesus returns is important and so is being prepared for that return. Since my exit from this world may well precede the Second Coming, maybe I’d be better of focusing on that.

I’m tired of those who point to this or that event as the sign of the beginning of the end. How many times have we heard conflicts labelled the Third World War? In the case of Hagee, it even seems like sometimes he is saying we have to bring prophesied events to pass so that Jesus can return!

My final viewing of his show was the day he suggested that the use of nuclear weapons to defend Israel might be a good thing…Over the top! Who does he think created all the people who would die in such a strike? If such a strike were indeed believed to be inevitable, a good Christian would be frantically advocating evangelization of the would-be targets before their fiery demise. Or does God desire conversion only of Jews?

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

In other words, Protestants killed Catholics, Catholics killed Anglicans, Anglicans killed Catholics, Catholics killed Protestants, Protestants killed Anabaptists, etc, etc,… This argumentation over killing is useless. We can’t blame just one side. It was every side…

In a nutshell, & with few exceptions, yes - this whole atrocity-swapping business does nothing but get people’s backs up. ​