John Henry Newman, "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant"?

[embertx]

In general I think it is correct but I also take free will into consideration. Someone might read all the church history in and out and still choose to reject it just as satan choose to reject God. (not saying those who are not catholic is a follower of satan…don’t want to be misunderstood here)

 

[jjwilkman]

Lilyofthevalley:

To be “deep” in history means you accept slavery, women not voting, and woman as property.
So, obviously history is over rated.

i’m starting to be old. i was always taught(way before the womens (modern)movement that men and jwomen are the same species. there are differences (obviously!). in case you haven’t noticed. women have a great deal of influence in running the world. (they just let men think they are in charge). in reality it takes both of us. one without the other is lost( mula sin arriero).

this place is fun, i just would like it to be an irc channel, (ecxept everybody tries to talk at once (no fun));

to return to the main point, without history, you will make the same mistake over and over again. like charley brown. it has indeed happened and, i think and fear, we aren’t done making mistakes.

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[TheGarg]

Lilyofthevalley:

To be “deep” in history means you accept slavery, women not voting, and woman as property.
So, obviously history is over rated.

I knew there was something bad abou those pesky history teachers

 

[kindlylight]

The quote was taken from a post of mine where I correctly quoted Newman as saying " To be deep into history is to cease to be Protestant" He meant the study of history. He saw the Church of England as coming from the same revolt against authority that gave rise to the Arian heresy in the fourth century. The parallels were so strong that he saw the face of Arianism alive and well in his own Church of England.

 

[Catholic_Tom]

Contarini:

I think it’s false taken simply as it stands. There are plenty of Protestants who are learned in church history. However, I think it is impossible to think of history in a certain theological way and still be Protestant, and that is perhaps what Newman meant. Or at least, to have the deep desire to claim the entire Church’s history as one’s own leads to a certain tension with Protestantism, because however much one emphasizes the pre-Reformation roots of Protestantism there remains some kind of break with the past inherent in being Protestant.

This, of course, does not automatically mean that one becomes Catholic. There’s always Orthodoxy. And living in tension is part of the reality of this life. So I think Newman’s statement was false but contained some truth.

Edwin

I agree, well said Edwin.

 

[LoneRanger]

some things you just don’t do…

doubt the One, Holy, Catholc and Apolistic Church…

tug on supermans cape,
spit into the wind,
and pull the mask off the ole Lone Ranger…

 

[BOBKAT]

slinky1882:

Is the above statement true??? Why or why not???

Thanks and God Bless.

The above statement is correct,however the person digging into the history has to have Jesus center and foremost in their heart or they will miss the tales history tells. What I mean they truely have to be seeking the truth and asking questions. There is no doubt in my mind the Catholic church was the church instituted by Christ Himself. When my sister left the faith I emersed myself in it and now I am more convinced then ever.

God Bless
Kathleen