John MacArthur Debate

[MW1T68]

“There have always been and always will be false teachers, lying prophets, religious deceivers, and corrupt preachers who claim to represent God but actually represent Satan, who claim to bring the way of Heaven and actually paved the way to Hell, who claim to speak divine truth and actually speak satanic lies, doctrines of demons.” ~ John MacArthur, sermon, “Religion and its Victims.”

It sounds to me that he is talking about the 30,000+ protestant denominations.

Mat

 

[Eruvande]

My husband is a big fan, and we are on his mailing list and have a couple of DVDs and CD teaching series, I recall the one on Christmas the clearest. He is also very vitriolic towards Charismatics, and, as I recall, quite disparaging of modern worship music and women in a position of leadership. I have many friends who rate him very highly, and these are the people I fear to tell of my interest in Catholicism, partly because of what he teaches.

 

[Duane1966]

My husband is a big fan, and we are on his mailing list and have a couple of DVDs and CD teaching series, I recall the one on Christmas the clearest. He is also very vitriolic towards Charismatics, and, as I recall, quite disparaging of modern worship music and women in a position of leadership. I have many friends who rate him very highly, and these are the people I fear to tell of my interest in Catholicism, partly because of what he teaches.

Hello,

I have posted a link to the journey home with some (but not all) of the program numbers of the shows that featured Presbyterian and Reformed converts. Many of these converts were ministers, as is the host of the Coming Home network, Marcus Grodi. They last about an hour and are all interesting listens. The David Anders one is indeed a VERY interesting listen, as is the hosts.

[ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?pgnu=3&SeriesID=-6892289](http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?pgnu=3&SeriesID=-6892289)

#781 (Steve Wood), #738 (Marcus Grodi), #502, #474, #472, #433, #362, #224 (David Anders), #126, #94, #93, and many more. Some of the earlier episodes have converts from Presbyterianism, unfortunately those early programs do not have in their title what the person is converting from as the later episodes do.

I have also posted a link to a YouTube video of Dr. Scott Hahn’s conversion story. It is only audio but it is fantastic. You think it is ending, but then he talks about Mary. I highly recommend listening to all of it. It should be the first video in the list, the one that lasts 1:14:49.

m.youtube.com/results?q=dr%20scott%20hahn%20conversion&sm=1

Something that bothers me about many speakers is how quick they are to condemn practicing Catholics to hell. We sure are lucky the Protestant Reformation came along. Just think of our poor ancestors who are doomed to Hell because they lived BEFORE the Reformation.

God Bless.

 

[MTKM]

Hello,

I have posted a link to the journey home with some (but not all) of the program numbers of the shows that featured Presbyterian and Reformed converts. Many of these converts were ministers, as is the host of the Coming Home network, Marcus Grodi. They last about an hour and are all interesting listens. The David Anders one is indeed a VERY interesting listen, as is the hosts.

[ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?pgnu=3&SeriesID=-6892289](http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?pgnu=3&SeriesID=-6892289)

#781 (Steve Wood), #738 (Marcus Grodi), #502, #474, #472, #433, #362, #224 (David Anders), #126, #94, #93, and many more. Some of the earlier episodes have converts from Presbyterianism, unfortunately those early programs do not have in their title what the person is converting from as the later episodes do.

I have also posted a link to a YouTube video of Dr. Scott Hahn’s conversion story. It is only audio but it is fantastic. You think it is ending, but then he talks about Mary. I highly recommend listening to all of it. It should be the first video in the list, the one that lasts 1:14:49.

m.youtube.com/results?q=dr%20scott%20hahn%20conversion&sm=1

Something that bothers me about many speakers is how quick they are to condemn practicing Catholics to hell. We sure are lucky the Protestant Reformation came along. Just think of our poor ancestors who are doomed to Hell because they lived BEFORE the Reformation.

God Bless.

Thank you!! These are very good resources. Appreciate your time to help me with this.

 

[MTKM]

Actually fairly easily done.
It’s NOT in the Bible, okay?
It’s NOT in the Bible, okay? (Part II)
“If anyone teaches/preaches something that is not in scripture”

I listened to the first few minutes of that message and noticed that it was heavy on polemics and rhetoric and light on the scriptures that he claims refute Catholic teachings.

His attack on celibacy is unscriptural bunkum, just look at my blog article Priestly celibacy is unBiblical. NOT!

His alleged news sources about the Vatican have all been proved to be lies. How can someone who asserts himself to be a man of God and a pastor stoop to such public efforts at deception?

I feel pretty sure that one reason that he hasn’t debated any Catholic apologists is that he knows that they’ll publicly expose him for the deceiver that he is and what credibility he has will go right down the toilet which could adversely affect his “ministry’s” income. Lies never survive the light of truth. Am I the only one who noticed that he cites no sources in his message? Why? Because they either don’t exist or they are so easily discredited and refuted that he 'll be exposed and lose his platform and income.

Filthy lucre anyone?

Thank you!!!

 

[MTKM]

No, MacArthur hasn’t done any debates with Catholics. His apologetics against Catholicism is just preaching to the choir. The only protestant who in modern times has attempted any rebuttal of Catholicism is James White, and he’s done many debates with Catholic apologists, actively tries to “evangelize” Catholics to his Calvinist, “reformed baptist” theology.

White plays up this schtick about having gone to Catholic sources like the documents of the Council of Trent to see the best of the other side but it’s clear he doesn’t want to fairly represent what the Church teaches about herself, but just stick to what Calvin said. So for instance he’ll insist that the mass is an attempt to re-sacrifice Christ, which is silly because that’s not what Trent said or what Catholics believe. But because that’s what Calvin taught, he has to stick with it.

The best debates with him for the Catholic side I’ve seen have been the ones he did with Robert Sungenis, so you might want to look those up on youtube. It makes sense since Sungenis used to be a Presbyterian and went to a Calvinist seminary, so he understand the errors of that theology. Here’s a 2 hour one they did on the mass:

youtube.com/watch?v=ngjs-X-ItqU

Personally I don’t care for debates, although they’re not a bad way to get introduced to a topic. But I just think that the debaters egos get in the way and there isn’t the kind of dispassionate inquiry you can do via reading.

So I’d also really recommend looking at the blog posts and EWTN interviews of a former Calvinist who became Catholic, David Anders:

calvin2catholic.com/

Thank YOU!!

 

[robwar]

This vile sermon from this past January may help you.

youtu.be/5oLtB0WI57o

You should know that the reason folks like MacArthur hate Catholicism is because they know full well that, if Catholicism is true, it fully undermines their self given authority.

MacArthur is the Pope of his flock and if there is a real authority that calls that into question it must be attacked and undermined so that he can build himself up.

Sadly, I often think that folks like him must know the truth, but twist and deceive to maintain the worldly power.

number of years ago, there was an evangelical organization that was trying to work with Catholics and the Catholic Church for better understanding and to work on common social issues like abortion. John MacArthur, the late D James Kennedy and another prominent evangelical teaching (forgot the name could have been James White) came out together to strongly condemn the effort. I think John MacArthur also was involved in a law suite by a Catholic parents of a young man that committed suicide. I don’t think it was successful but the young man who was troubled and stayed with MacArthur, he was encouraged to leave the Catholic Church and also not to seek out mental health help. This was a number of years ago as well.