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Pixie_Dust
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Only if you think the Scriptures are.
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jam070406
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No, that’s God’s Word, in the bible.
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MrS
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Outside the Church… correct
Faithfully inside the Church … nope
You can make your choice… by the grace of free will …to live in the House of God, or in the back yard
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Howie01
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Why won’t you cite the specific passage of Peter’s decision?
A “primacy among equals.”
MrS, you give money to your church, correct?
How is that not “hiring” those who guide you spiritually?
Please explain to me how the CC is not telling you what you want to hear, and tell me how you know you don’t want to hear it?
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Howie01
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I’m not making a statement about the scriptures, but a statement about your choice, based upon your interpretation.Only if you think the Scriptures are.
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Howie01
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And, as I recall, not one of them dealt with a metaphor being reality.
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MrS
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Yep, first among equals… like the Prime Minister whom Jesus refers to in Isaiah when He gives Peter the Keys to the Kingdom in Matt 16. That office of prime minister must be filled, for the holder of that office is in charge of the Kingdom (not just the Catholic Church - but all of Christianity), until the King returns.Why won’t you cite the specific passage of Peter’s decision?
A “primacy among equals.”
MrS, you give money to your church, correct?
How is that not “hiring” those who guide you spiritually?
Please explain to me how the CC is not telling you what you want to hear, and tell me how you know you don’t want to hear it?
I do give money, time, and talents to the Church. But I do NOT declare how they choose to use it. Nor do I have ANY say in who the Bishop appoints as a pastor (or who the bishop can choose to remove)
Our homilies are most often based on the Scriptural Readings the day. And those readings are universal in the Church. What I will hear next Sunday at Mass, is the same that Catholics will hear around the world. It is up to the priest or deacon to teach either on that specific day’s reading, or on a topic deemed important for that day. Verse selection is not up to the pastor.
And the readings cover more of the Scriptures in every 3 year cycle than any …ANY… protestant will ever hear in their faith community.
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Pixie_Dust
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It’s not my interpretation, but the interpretation of those Scriptures from before the time that they were canonized. I chose to reconcile myself with the Church founded by Christ and His Apostles, instead of remaining in a denomination that came into being 1500+ years later at the whim of a man. I studied history, I studied Scripture, I studied the writings of the Early Church Fathers. Couldn’t find a Baptist anywhere! God. made. me. Catholic!I’m not making a statement about the scriptures, but a statement about your choice, based upon your interpretation.
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Pixie_Dust
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Are you being deliberately obtuse here, or am I not communicating clearly?And, as I recall, not one of them dealt with a metaphor being reality.
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Howie01
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All oxymoronic, as meriting merit, or meriting grace.
Of course you give them money, MrS, you’ve “hired” them to be your spiritual leaders. That you choose to have no say in what they do with the money, or whom they appoint to leadership is part of the contract to which you’ve agreed.
As in all churches, verse selection is up to the preacher.
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Howie01
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Of course you’ve interpreted nothing. You’re Catholic because to you, it feels good.
IOW, you’re interpretation of the scriptures, history and the church is the RCC is the place to be.
Your choice wasn’t made in a vacuum, but it was an active decision based upon your interpretation of the relevant data.
It’s an opinion, fallible, and subject to error.
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MrS
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Actually, from the get go, your post is just your opinion, and it is fallible, and has been shown to be not just subject to error… but error personified.Of course you’ve interpreted nothing. You’re Catholic because to you, it feels good.
IOW, you’re interpretation of the scriptures, history and the church is the RCC is the place to be.
Your choice wasn’t made in a vacuum, but it was an active decision based upon your interpretation of the relevant data.
It’s an opinion, fallible, and subject to error.
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MrS
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Okay, so you don’t know what merit, in the sense of grace, means. That should be a thread of its own.All oxymoronic, as meriting merit, or meriting grace.
Of course you give them money, MrS, you’ve “hired” them to be your spiritual leaders. That you choose to have no say in what they do with the money, or whom they appoint to leadership is part of the contract to which you’ve agreed.
As in all churches, verse selection is up to the preacher.
I don’t “choose” to have no say. I simply don’t (unless the pastor selects me and others for a Parish Council… which by the way is declared by every diocese as advisery only).
I have yet to see a contract.
Verse selection is NOT up to choice by the Catholic priest. At best he is sometimes offered a full reading, or an abbreviated reading of the same passage… or perhaps a choice of 2 passages… but not open choice like the hired minister in a faith community (which technically is NOT a church).
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wow, you use/abuse our Scriptures and you use/abuse the word church. Oh well, thank God that God is God, and He knows your errors..
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Shannon9791
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I’m Catholic because it’s the most logical choice among all the Christian theories. Logically, Catholicism teaches the best way to obtain salvation through Jesus, We have been led for the past 2000 years by the Supreme Logic, although we may not completely understand it, we have a better grasp on it than the pick and choose Protestants.
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Howie01
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The same applies to you, MrS. All you say is your opinion, based upon your interpretation of the available data.
I do know what it means. I have a catechism, and I read it, and in spite of all of the twisting qualifications of the different distinctions made regarding the different types of merit, I still find meriting merit to be oxymoronic.
Deny it all you’d like, MrS. You have no choice by agreement (unless the pastor selects you and others for a Parish council, though that be advisory only).
Right; you’re in the RCC because you haven’t agreed to submit to her laws, and simply because you haven’t signed a contract, you believe there’s no contract between the two of you. So much for the covenant.
That’s just your opinion, MrS—fallible, and subject to error.
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Howie01
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Then your reasoning is based on your opinion; it’s fallible, and subject to error.
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Shannon9791
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Very true, but my reasoning is based on 2000 years of teaching, and years of personal study and prayer.
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MrS
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You shall know they are Christians by their love.
You shall know they are their own form of Christian by their obstinance, lack of authority, verse picking, stubbornness, short history, denial of faith-n-reason… etc etc etc…
I would ask for something you believe in that is not your opinion but rather a universal Truth…, but then you would have to be limited to the Scriptures, and your understanding of them.
Whether they are clear to you or not… you are the one stuck with just opinion. And sadly it is yours.
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You shall know they are their own form of Christian by their obstinance, lack of authority, verse picking, stubbornness, short history, denial of faith-n-reason… etc etc etc…
I would ask for something you believe in that is not your opinion but rather a universal Truth…, but then you would have to be limited to the Scriptures, and your understanding of them.
Whether they are clear to you or not… you are the one stuck with just opinion. And sadly it is yours.
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MrS
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The same applies to you, MrS. All you say is your opinion, based upon your interpretation of the available data.
I did not attempt to interpret those verses that are declared Doctrine. I am free, however to read much of scripture in light of what it inspires in me.
I do know what it means. I have a catechism, and I read it, and in spite of all of the twisting qualifications of the different distinctions made regarding the different types of merit, I still find meriting merit to be oxymoronic.
Then you need to read all the catechism on the subject… cuz you are missing something
Deny it all you’d like, MrS. You have no choice by agreement (unless the pastor selects you and others for a Parish council, though that be advisory only).
Please reword this… it makes no sense
Right; you’re in the RCC because you haven’t agreed to submit to her laws, and simply because you haven’t signed a contract, you believe there’s no contract between the two of you. So much for the covenant.
I am back in the Catholic Church because it is God’s will for me … and I treasure it. His will for you will put you in the Catholic Church too in His time… One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism
That’s just your opinion, MrS—fallible, and subject to error.
No, rather it is my consent to Jesus and my feeble effort to try and do all He expects from me… I can’t do that outside His Church.
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Howie01
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C’mon, MrS. Of course you engage in interpretation, how else would you understand what you believe?
You don’t want to admit that you engage in interpretation because that would rob you of one of your silly apologetic arguments (private interpretation) which you’ve been told is airtight, until it’s turned back on you, and you begin to see that it’s not—your argument, turned back on you, accuses you.
My suggestion to you, MrS, is rather than read scripture in light of what it inspires in you, read it for the authors’ intent.
And yet you won’t tell me what it is you think I’m missing–unbelievable. :doh2:
It makes perfect sense to me, MrS—you have no choice in what the church teaches because you agree to have no choice, but you prefer to simply do what you’re told—sans your private interpretation of church teaching by your own admission.
Everybody says that, MrS; again, you’re the same as everyone else, Catholic, Protestant, JW or Muslim—what’s your proof that Catholicism is God’s will for you? And please tell me without interpreting anything theological, because, as you claim, you don’t engage in that.
Explain how you do that, and please, do so without including any private interpretation of anything theological…
The world loves too, MrS (Mt 5:46; Lk 6:32), so you could be quite wrong about what you interpret as love within your faith community—it may not be Godly love at all, but merely your opinion that it is, when in fact, it’s really worldy love (Mt 5:46; Lk 6:32).
MrS, in case you haven’t noticed, most of non-Catholicism uses the same standard of measurement you’re using above against them against you. Good job!
Furthermore, if you truly believe that length of history is a deciding factor in how one finds the correct doctrine, and ultimately God, why aren’t you Jewish? And, please, explain that without interpreting anything theological, as you don’t engage in that.
And were I to use scripture, you wouldn’t understand anyway; after all, by your own admission, you don’t engage in interpretation.
And by offering that opinion, you negate your assertion that I’m the only one with an opinion.
Good job!
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