John Paul II "the Great"?

[strugglingalong]

So it was criticism of the title you were seeking, not just a consensus. Why do wish to pursue criticism of a man who has gone on to meet the true judge?

No, I wasn’t seeking criticisms. I was looking for somewhere where people wouldn’t be afraid to bring up objections.

I’m not the judge, only God is. We’re talking here about a title people give, that’s all.

Pax Christi tecum.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

No, I wasn’t seeking criticisms. I was looking for somewhere where people wouldn’t be afraid to bring up objections.

I’m not the judge, only God is. We’re talking here about a title people give, that’s all.

Pax Christi tecum.

I doubt anyone would be terribly afraid to bring up objections. I have not noticed a great deal of reticence on these fora in people speaking their minds. Some are better informed as to the facts than others, I would grant, but I see little hesitation in speaking up.

The traditional forum DOES seem to be a place where people can go and say outrageous things, hoping for universal affirmation of the same. They seem terribly disappointed when they get an argument.

And incidentally, as to the term “traditional Catholic,” we might do well to heed what a fairly traditional pope, Benedict XV, said (yes, that’s the XV, not the XVI) in Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum:

"24. It is, moreover, Our will that Catholics should abstain from certain appellations which have recently been brought into use to distinguish one group of Catholics from another. They are to be avoided not only as “profane novelties of words,” out of harmony with both truth and justice, but also because they give rise to great trouble and confusion among Catholics. Such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected: “This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly; he cannot be saved” (Athanas. Creed). There is no need of adding any qualifying terms to the profession of Catholicism: it is quite enough for each one to proclaim “Christian is my name and Catholic my surname,” only let him endeavour to be in reality what he calls himself."

 

[strugglingalong]

And incidentally, as to the term “traditional Catholic,” we might do well to heed what a fairly traditional pope, Benedict XV, said (yes, that’s the XV, not the XVI) in Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum:

"24. It is, moreover, Our will that Catholics should abstain from certain appellations which have recently been brought into use to distinguish one group of Catholics from another. They are to be avoided not only as “profane novelties of words,” out of harmony with both truth and justice, but also because they give rise to great trouble and confusion among Catholics. Such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected: “This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly; he cannot be saved” (Athanas. Creed). There is no need of adding any qualifying terms to the profession of Catholicism: it is quite enough for each one to proclaim “Christian is my name and Catholic my surname,” only let him endeavour to be in reality what he calls himself."

I’d prefer to not have to preface Catholic with the word traditional but in our world of plurality, when people like to pick and choose their liturgy (Lifeteen Mass, New Mass, clown Mass, traditional Latin Mass) as well as hold a variety of beliefs, its difficult to not use it. I agree though, it shouldn’t be necessary.

Pax Christi tecum.

 

[Jo_Benedict]

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