John Paul II

[lethalbean95]

Did Pope John Paul II really say for John the Baptist to “Protect” Islam? I never knew this. If this is true it seems sort of scary. What did he mean when he said that or what are we to make out of this statement? What were his intentions? I’m just sort of concerned especially because hes been declared a SAINT. I just want some clarification.

 

[benjohnson]

Sure, JP II may have said this - not sure of the specifics.

However, as with all us sinners, making mistakes doesn’t preclude us from being part of the communion of saints with God.

If I remember correctly, Pope JP II went to confession daily - a good example for all of us.

 

[dmar198]

Did Pope John Paul II really say for John the Baptist to “Protect” Islam? I never knew this. If this is true it seems sort of scary. What did he mean when he said that or what are we to make out of this statement? What were his intentions? I’m just sort of concerned especially because hes been declared a SAINT. I just want some clarification.

The following prayer is ascribed to him on the Vatican website:

“May Saint John Baptist protect Islam and all the people of Jordan, and all who partecipated [sic] in this celebration, a memorable celebration. I’m very grateful to all of you.” source

Perhaps the phrase “Protect Islam” refers to the people of Islam rather than their entire system of faith. St. John Paul 2 was quite clear that Islam has false doctrines:

"Whoever knows the Old and New Testaments, and then reads the Koran, clearly sees the process by which it completely reduces Divine Revelation. It is impossible not to note the movement away from what God said about Himself, first in the Old Testament through the Prophets, and then finally in the New Testament through His Son. In Islam all the richness of God’s self-revelation, which constitutes the heritage of the Old and New Testaments, has definitively been set aside. [Paragraph break.] Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Koran, but He is ultimately a God outside of the world, a God who is only Majesty, never Emmanuel, God-with-us. Islam is not a religion of redemption. There is no room for the Cross and the Resurrection. … [The] tragedy of redemption is complerely absent. For this reason not only the theology but also the anthropology of Islam is very distant from Christianity. … [But we should still] have a dialogue with followers of the ‘Prophet.’ " source

I especially note how the word Prophet is put in quotation marks. (He does it again on page 43.) Mohammed is not a true prophet, he is a “prophet.” (I checked the Italian original, the one written by the pope himself, and the quote marks are in that one too.) To me, that is equivalent to identifying Mohammed as a false prophet, and I think that is an important thing to point out.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Did Pope John Paul II really say for John the Baptist to “Protect” Islam? I never knew this. If this is true it seems sort of scary. What did he mean when he said that or what are we to make out of this statement? What were his intentions? I’m just sort of concerned especially because hes been declared a SAINT. I just want some clarification.

He actually went to confession weekly.

 

[lethalbean95]

The following prayer is ascribed to him on the Vatican website:

“May Saint John Baptist protect Islam and all the people of Jordan, and all who partecipated [sic] in this celebration, a memorable celebration. I’m very grateful to all of you.” source

Perhaps the phrase “Protect Islam” refers to the people of Islam rather than their entire system of faith. St. John Paul 2 was quite clear that Islam has false doctrines:

"Whoever knows the Old and New Testaments, and then reads the Koran, clearly sees the process by which it completely reduces Divine Revelation. It is impossible not to note the movement away from what God said about Himself, first in the Old Testament through the Prophets, and then finally in the New Testament through His Son. In Islam all the richness of God’s self-revelation, which constitutes the heritage of the Old and New Testaments, has definitively been set aside. [Paragraph break.] Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Koran, but He is ultimately a God outside of the world, a God who is only Majesty, never Emmanuel, God-with-us. Islam is not a religion of redemption. There is no room for the Cross and the Resurrection. … [The] tragedy of redemption is complerely absent. For this reason not only the theology but also the anthropology of Islam is very distant from Christianity. … [But we should still] have a dialogue with followers of the ‘Prophet.’ " source

I especially note how the word Prophet is put in quotation marks. (He does it again on page 43.) Mohammed is not a true prophet, he is a “prophet.” (I checked the Italian original, the one written by the pope himself, and the quote marks are in that one too.) To me, that is equivalent to identifying Mohammed as a false prophet, and I think that is an important thing to point out.

Thank you sir that was pretty helpful Felt kind of shocked for a minute

 

[TwoNames]

I once heard a (very traditional) priest say - before JP II’s canonization - something like this: “If he’s not in heaven, then we’re all in trouble. He had cca. 1 bilion people praying for him at his last hour… give or take a milion.”

St. John Paul II, pray for us!

 

[JonNC]

I once heard a (very traditional) priest say - before JP II’s canonization - something like this: “If he’s not in heaven, then we’re all in trouble. He had cca. 1 bilion people praying for him at his last hour… give or take a milion.”

St. John Paul II, pray for us!

Probably so, and probably more than one billion .
I’m sure he prays for us

Jon

 

[eddie_too]

i am sure st. JP II does pray for us when we successfully get His attention. after all, when you possess the beatific vision, you attention to it is not going to be easily diverted.

although we know all of the saints hear our prayers and respond, we are not entirely sure how this happens. novenas are acceptable prayer methods and seem to indicate that persistence in prayer to the saints is rewarded.