"John Piper" and the Pope

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Well, I just found this guy on youtube. One of his videos about violence and the old testament and God actually seemed pretty informative. Then I saw his video about “talking to the pope” about “justificiation”. How is “the core of Roman Catholic theology” heresy?

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From the video he’s saying that if you get justification wrong, you are teaching heresy.

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This Piper fellow basically says that if the Pope doesn’t teach “imputed” righteousness then he’s a heretic.

There’s not enough detail here to know the fullness of his theology but imputed righteousness fails at a number of levels. It’s the idea that justified man remains filth and that grace doesn’t “truly” sanctify but God has a certain “blindness” and thinks that we’re sanctified even though we’re not. Christ’s righteousness “covers” the filth of sin, it does not actually cleanse us of it—that’s really the essence of imputed righteousness as I have had it explained to me ad nauseum.
 
I think this guy played way too much football without a helmet.
 
From the video he’s saying that if you get justification wrong, you are teaching heresy.

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But what is justification mean and what does it have to do with me going to mass reading my bible and trying to be a good Catholic?😦
 
But what is justification mean and what does it have to do with me going to mass reading my bible and trying to be a good Catholic?😦
Justification in accord with Catholic teaching properly has an initial stage, typically at baptism and goes throughout life. In Scripture there are citations you can find for “been saved,” “being saved,” and “will be saved” to support this. Going to mass and reading the Bible are ways to continue receiving God’s grace in a sacramental way. This grace helps us become holier, more adept at ridding our lives of sin, and preparing us for the heavenly condition. So briefly, justification is really the process of making us fit for heaven. Going to mass, reading Scripture, praying, doing works of charity are all things that draw us closer to Christ and condition us for our final destination. They also fortify our ability to reject sin in our lives.

You can read through paragraphs 1987-1995 from the Catechism for more official summaries. For greater detail, you can read the Council of Trent’s decree on Justification. :o
 
Well, I just found this guy on youtube. One of his videos about violence and the old testament and God actually seemed pretty informative. Then I saw his video about “talking to the pope” about “justificiation”. How is “the core of Roman Catholic theology” heresy?

See:

youtube.com/watch?v=lQvtAd7WEOY&feature=related

Thanks,
Snakemauler
Yeah, I just recently saw the same clip and posted it somewhere in this Forum. The interview seems staged to me. It’s strange how the interviewer is never seen. It seems to me as if John is going out of his way to seem as if he had never thought about this question… as if he had no idea that it was coming… not sure why… perhaps because the Catholic Church’s teaching on justification is quite public and quite easy to find especially by a prolific writer and speaker such as John himself. He’s quite aware (must be!) of the Catholic position on justification. So he says… “if” the Pope would disagree with his 2 or 3 liner on justification… then the Catholic Church teaches herecy. It’s dishonest of him if you ask me. He’s spreading more hatred for the Catholic Church. It’s quite subtle, perhaps even diabolical, and unfortunatley he has the ear of thousands of Christians… keeping them at odds with the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church which teaches the whole truth of the gospel inerrantly. It’s a shame.
 
He fails…sadly…as many …to understand the Church Catholic’s High View of Faith…he with many teaches we believe in “Salvation” by Sacraments…from the Church fathers Trent, V1, V2…to a sermon my Priest gave a while back…“In fact I will paraphrase my priest”…Using Communion as an example: “To come and receive the Host and take of the Chalice with a heart devoid of Faith…is by nature a Sin.” It is not just my Priests opinion, it is long held…think…taking that host in total willful unbelief is taking it “in an unworthy manner” as St. Paul wrote. It boggles my mind…folk think we as Catholics think we simply “go through motions and think we are saved.” it is anathema! We teach it not!:eek:
 
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