John Wycliffe

[WesleyF]

A Protestant wrote"

"remember John Wycliffe…
Born in Hipswell, Yorkshire, Wycliffe was educated at Balliol College, University of Oxford. He received a doctorate in theology in 1372. He taught at Oxford University, where he became known as a brilliant scholastic theologian and the most respected debater of his time.In 1376 Wycliffe enunciated the doctrine of “dominion as founded in grace,” according to which all authority is conferred directly by the grace of God and is consequently forfeited when the wielder of that authority is guilty of mortal sin.After Wycliffe died on December 31, 1384, his teachings were spread far and wide. His Bible was widely distributed by his followers, Lollards. Wycliffe’s writings strongly influenced John Huss . Luther acknowledged his great debt to Wycliffe. In May 1415 the Council of Constance reviewed Wycliffe’s heresies and ordered his body disinterred and burned. This decree was carried out in 1428.
So much for the catholic church’s attitude towards protestants… "

What do you say to him?

 

[thistle]

A Protestant wrote"

"remember John Wycliffe…
Born in Hipswell, Yorkshire, Wycliffe was educated at Balliol College, University of Oxford. He received a doctorate in theology in 1372. He taught at Oxford University, where he became known as a brilliant scholastic theologian and the most respected debater of his time.In 1376 Wycliffe enunciated the doctrine of “dominion as founded in grace,” according to which all authority is conferred directly by the grace of God and is consequently forfeited when the wielder of that authority is guilty of mortal sin.After Wycliffe died on December 31, 1384, his teachings were spread far and wide. His Bible was widely distributed by his followers, Lollards. Wycliffe’s writings strongly influenced John Huss . Luther acknowledged his great debt to Wycliffe. In May 1415 the Council of Constance reviewed Wycliffe’s heresies and ordered his body disinterred and burned. This decree was carried out in 1428.
So much for the catholic church’s attitude towards protestants… "

What do you say to him?

oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=John_Wyclif

 

[NHInsider]

Hmm. This is essentially the same challenge as the one about Jan Hus to which I just posted a lengthy reply.

What I would ask is why it is that the questioner believes that tragic stories of martyrs prove that the Church is not the Church? Why are Wyclif and Hus supposed to be slam-dunk evidence that Catholicism is wrong, but Campion and Oglethorpe (not to mention Mary Dyer) do not similarly disprove Protestantism?

As I observed in my Hus post, the issue is not about the mistreatment of heretics (when considered by our modern standards) but about the authority of the Church to protect and defend right doctrine. If you deny that there is an authority so granted, then any effort to prevent the proclamation of novel doctrines is a rampant abuse of ill-gotten power, and the right outcome of someone coming up with a “new gospel” is the formation of a new church. But if you believe that the Lord meant it when He gave authority to the apostles to teach and preach and loose and bind, and you believe that people who teach “new gospels” are endangering the souls of those who follow them, then the effort to correct or silence false teachers (especially those who are ordained by the Church and so appear to speak with authority) is absolutely the obligation of the Church.

Your debater posted

"remember John Wycliffe…

So much for the catholic church’s attitude towards protestants… "

But Wyclif wasn’t a Protestant - he was a dissenting Catholic whose teachings were used by others to defend positions of rejection of civil authority on religious grounds.

 

[itsjustdave1988]

… In May 1415 the Council of Constance reviewed Wycliffe’s heresies and ordered his body disinterred and burned. This decree was carried out in 1428. So much for the catholic church’s attitude towards protestants… "

What do you say to him?

His body was dug up and removed from consecrated ground for just reasons. Because of Wycliffe’s impenitent criminal behavior, he didn’t have a right to be buried among the saints. According to Sacred Scritpure, heresy is a grave crime against the Church. St. Paul taught, “A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid (Gk “*p**araiteomai” *or refuse, reject, literally, refuse to be near)” (Titus 3:10-11).

 

[BrianH]

I do not care if it is Hindu, Catholic, Protestant, or atheist, the behavior is sick and I think it speaks volumes of anyone who would excuse it or attempt to defend it

 

[Catholicdeacon]

A Protestant wrote"

"remember John Wycliffe…
Born in Hipswell, Yorkshire, Wycliffe was educated at Balliol College, University of Oxford. He received a doctorate in theology in 1372. He taught at Oxford University, where he became known as a brilliant scholastic theologian and the most respected debater of his time.In 1376 Wycliffe enunciated the doctrine of “dominion as founded in grace,” according to which all authority is conferred directly by the grace of God and is consequently forfeited when the wielder of that authority is guilty of mortal sin.After Wycliffe died on December 31, 1384, his teachings were spread far and wide. His Bible was widely distributed by his followers, Lollards. Wycliffe’s writings strongly influenced John Huss . Luther acknowledged his great debt to Wycliffe. In May 1415 the Council of Constance reviewed Wycliffe’s heresies and ordered his body disinterred and burned. This decree was carried out in 1428.
So much for the catholic church’s attitude towards protestants… "

What do you say to him?

Read my answer to the Huss post.

Viva Cristo Rey

Catholic Deacon

 

[NewCatholic1207]

I do not care if it is Hindu, Catholic, Protestant, or atheist, the behavior is sick and I think it speaks volumes of anyone who would excuse it or attempt to defend it

I saw no attempt to defend anything. But attempting to judge the actions of individuals who lived 700 years ago by modern standards is what is indefensible. NHInsider’s point is a valid one. The authority of the Church to protect correct doctrine is the core issue. That authority to bind and loose, given to the Church by Christ himself is evidence that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

[CWBetts]

I do not care if it is Hindu, Catholic, Protestant, or atheist, the behavior is sick and I think it speaks volumes of anyone who would excuse it or attempt to defend it

Do we need to bring up the slaughter of Catholics by Protestants during the Reformation? I am not making excuse. I am just saying that there was plenty of killing to go around.