Johns Revelation and Hell

[Vico]

Greetings and thank you for your reply.

I like to think that I think in the conceptual, not just analytical, and am able to “grasp” that which is not concise.

However…he does say “although Hell is not a place” then goes right on to say “must be in some place.”

While I appreciate the merciful and kindness of any clergy while teaching, I think it disingenuous to contradict himself especially in the same sentence. I know if my Priest had said that to my face I would be challenging him to clarify, which I in fact do.

Its all in the spirit of seeking Him who presides over us all, and understanding. Most of it is very obvious to me and to be truthful the action is more important than understanding especially when it comes to Love, service to others and charity, and worship.

But this subject more than any is something I truly try to understand as I think it crucial in conversation with those that arent saved or who are deceived by themselves and not within the sanctuary. In my day to day life I find myself in contact with them especially the “reformed Catholics” and cradle Catholics who speak in error out loud.

It seems that you did not understand the post, the the word Rather is the English translation used there for the Italian, but as the note states the original is “Più che” which is more than not rather. He was speaking in Italian.

1. The images of hell that Sacred Scripture presents to us must be correctly interpreted. They show the complete frustration and emptiness of life without God. Rather* than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy. This is how the Catechism of the Catholic Church summarizes the truths of faith on this subject: “To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called ‘hell’” (n. 1033).

*[Note: [COLOR=“Blue”]The original Italian says, “(Più che) More than a place, hell indicates…” This suggests correctly that although hell is not essentially “a place,” rather the definitive loss of God, confinement is included. Thus, after the general resurrection the bodies of the damned, being bodies not spirits, must be in “some place,” in which they will receive the punishment of fire.]

 

[In_prayer]

It seems that you did not understand the post, the the word Rather is the English translation used there for the Italian, but as the note states the original is “Più che” which is more than not rather. He was speaking in Italian.

I understood your post… He was speaking in Italian, so not a “direct” translation. I do read English (and other languages, just not Italian).

But still confused. Thats ok Ill just have to reread it a few times.

But thank you. Truly.