Join us--wear a head covering to Mass Oct 2

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netmil(name removed by moderator):
Sorry, Happy, Happy, Happy!!!

Maybe a trend can be started and they will start selling Chapel Caps in the Catholic bookstores.
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Uh…they do sell them in Catholic bookstores.

I am gifted by my parish…we have a gift shop, and for awhile, they had a difficult time keeping the mantillas on the shelves.

And the other bookstores in the area are ordering whatever they are being asked to order…of course if only for one person, they’ll order special, but just the same!

BTW, I’m in the Mpls-St. Paul archdiocese (MN)
 
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Forest-Pine:
I don’t know about the cultural norms for TLMs, but theologically a straw hat would be sound. I’d keep in mind style more than material. You don’t want to look like you are going to a hoe down, but there are plenty of straw hats (some in this thread even) that I think would be fine.
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Thanks, Forest. The only hat I’ve ever owned that I truly liked is a straw hat with a simple red band around it. The brim is quite narrow and curled. It is a $1 hat, but it looks great on me, everyone agrees. I found it at Wal-Mart on accident one day and prudently snapped it up, even though I dislike hats in general.

I did look to see if I could find a TLM near me, and suprisingly, now there is one within driving distance (there didn’t used to be).
 
I applaud all of the women who have stated that they will wear a head covering to Mass on Oct. 2. I think they are beautiful and feminine and a sign of respect. Having been born in the mid-70s I don’t feel ready to take the plunge myself. I would need to see a lot more women wearing them before I felt comfortable, but as I said, I applaud those who are taking the lead. http://bestsmileys.com/clapping/1.gif
 
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rcn:
What exactly is the point of this proposed event?

Is it some sort of attempt to show “Feminine unity”? No, it can’t be that… feminism is a bad thing, after all.

Is it an opportunity to draw attention to one’s self? Convince me that it is not.

A way to demonstrate an independence from what the Church teaches? Remember, the church does not request this, and has not for many years.
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Point 1: Feminism is not bad…radical feminism is bad. The Blessed Mother was the ultimate feminist, I would have to describe Jesus himself as a feminist…this is a matter of definition.

Point 2: Who cares about “feminine unity” as you say? This is more a social experiment which was born out of the outright hostility of some people here who have a problem with this particular personal devotion.

Point 3: Is this an opportunity to draw attention to ourselves? Well, as I wear a veil on a regular basis as do others at my parish
there’s really no attention. This is not about attention but again, about personal devotion. Would this same charge be made against those ladies (or men) who hold a rosary throughout daily Mass and never put it away, other than to wrap it around their wrists?

Point 4. A way to demonstrate against what the Church teaches? This is a ridiculous charge. The veil/headcovering of any sort is considered to be a personal devotion AS IS THE ROSARY. Although the Church does not REQUIRE the headcovering, neither does the Church PROHIBIT it…and according to the very well balanced pastor(s) at my parish, it is a personal devotion.

I actually approached my Pastor on this issue after suffering an attack and having been accused of disobedience to the Church. He stated only that it was not required but it is a personal devotion and entirely acceptable to wear one.

So how exactly is this a demonstration against what the Church teaches? There is your answer. I did submit myself to the authority of the Church and had Father asked me not to wear the veil, I would not do so.

As far as personal motivation…quite honestly none of us owe you an explanation as we are not required to justify our actions since they do not contradict Church teaching. If we were out there telling everyone that they need to be covered…well, that would be an issue.

You claim that this is not an attack yet the way you word your questions is actually demanding of an answer which may or may not be satisfactory to you. This, in essence, is a form of attack whether you realize it or not. The reality is that you are not in a position to deserve a “response” as to the internal motivation of each individual here. For some it is very deeply personal.

Charity, of course, assumes that someone is asking a question out of a desire to understand and so I have responded. If you will complete a search on this topic in general, you may find a cumulative response which could actually satifsy your desire to understand.

Please feel free to PM me as I think I have lead this thread off course and don’t want to carry on any debate here.

I apologize to the OP if I have done so.
 
If any women want to wear a hat or other head covering at mass, they ought to go right ahead and do it, although there isn’t any reason to wait until October 2.

Just so you know, it definitely isn’t required nor does it make you one iota more Catholic if you choose to do so.

But I don’t see any reason to wait, if you want to do it for devotional, nostalgic or other reasons .
 
The problem of course is, how do you know what a person is thinking unless they say what they are thinking?? I have had many people say to me “are you mad at me?” and I’ll say, of course not, why would you think that, and they will say “you looked weird at me” etc. how can you know the results unless you take a poll of everyone at your church “how did you feel about my head covering today, please let me know” 😃
If you want to cover your hair, just cover your hair but how can anyone know with certainty what anyone else is thinking unless the words are spoken?? People make all sorts of weird faces but often a person doesn’t even realize they are doing so, like me, if I appear mad at someone, I am probably not even aware of my facial expression.
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I actually find your comment funny! When I was in high school I played flute for the choir and at the other Masses as well…my brother and his friend told me that while I was playing I looked “mad” (angry).

Apparently when I concentrate on something I look angry. OK. Nothing I can do about that because I don’t focus on my expression AND fine motor coordination at the same time. So much for being able to read inner motives by outer expression.

BTW…I LOVED The littel crocheted hats that someone posted. Those were so cute! I would totally wear one of those if I actually had a chance to actually look good in them!
 
kielbasa:
If any women want to wear a hat or other head covering at mass, they ought to go right ahead and do it, although there isn’t any reason to wait until October 2.

Just so you know, it definitely isn’t required nor does it make you one iota more Catholic if you choose to do so.

But I don’t see any reason to wait, if you want to do it for devotional, nostalgic or other reasons .
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Thanks for the support Kielbasa!! The reason I chose that date is because there are many women who have a little tug in their hearts to wear headcoverings, but a lot of thoughts up in their brains keeping them from doing so. This, at least, is my personal experience. I am worried about what others will say or think or do… It is illogical, and I recognize it as such. However, there is a certain amount of comfort in numbers. In knowing that there are others out there going through precisely the same thing you are. That you are not alone.

Of course, as Catholics, we can all recognize this. Our faith is rooted in Jesus, but there is a comfort in knowing the lives of the saints and knowing that they–sinners just like us–were in the same situations and came through on the side of right. We take comfort in knowing that others have gone through precisely what we have and we are not alone. It strengthens our faith and helps us to focus on Jesus instead of ourselves.

In order to give everyone (myself) time to get a headcovering, I went with next Sunday instead of this one. Of course, if anyone felt such a tug and could not join us next Sunday, I hope your post will give her the strength to do just that!

So here’s the running count now:
Forest-Pine
grotto
cargopilot’s wife
Brenda V.
netmil(name removed by moderator)
BlestOne
athanasiusrc’s wife and daughters
Lorrie
Detroit Sue
tadly’s wife
Helen HansenPye
JCPhoenix
Pug

Maybe
snow_white
paramedicgirl
CarolAnnSFO
the phoenix
rayne89
RosaryLady
 
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Forest-Pine:
http://www.halo-works.com/images/veils/chchcp.jpg

corrineco.com/corrine%20images/veil_cap.jpg

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(or a Kleenex)
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RE: A Kleenex–my first “mantilla” was a handkerchief. My husband and I started going to Tridentine Mass during Lent of 2005. We sat in the car and I watched females of all ages entering the chapel with their heads covered. I asked my husband for his handkerchief because I would have felt more out of place WITHOUT a headcovering than with one.

I admire and support all of you ladies who are going to wear headcoverings on October 2. I’ll be one of them. 👍
 
I was in my local Target store yesterday and saw a wonderful collection of little knit and crocheted hats, as well as some fake fur numbers that were cute, too. Some were very lightweight and could be worn right now.

I will be the cantor at the Mass for October 2 that I attend, so I don’t think I’ll be wearing anything on my head. When I started out as a cantor, nearly 30 years ago, I used to wear a little black lace chapel cap, which hardly showed at all. That was when ladies in veils were a not-so-distant memory.

I fully support all of you who will be wearing a head covering on Sunday. God bless you all!

Betsy
 
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soonersvi:
RE: A Kleenex–my first “mantilla” was a handkerchief. My husband and I started going to Tridentine Mass during Lent of 2005. We sat in the car and I watched females of all ages entering the chapel with their heads covered. I asked my husband for his handkerchief because I would have felt more out of place WITHOUT a headcovering than with one.

I admire and support all of you ladies who are going to wear headcoverings on October 2. I’ll be one of them. 👍
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Yeah!!

Yes:
Forest-Pine
grotto
cargopilot’s wife
Brenda V.
netmil(name removed by moderator)
BlestOne
athanasiusrc’s wife and daughters
Lorrie
Detroit Sue
tadly’s wife
Helen HansenPye
JCPhoenix
Pug
soonersvi

Maybe
snow_white
paramedicgirl
CarolAnnSFO
the phoenix
rayne89
RosaryLady
(Any maybes who want to change to yes?)

(PS Love the hankie story! Hope it was clean!)
 
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baltobetsy:
I was in my local Target store yesterday and saw a wonderful collection of little knit and crocheted hats, as well as some fake fur numbers that were cute, too. Some were very lightweight and could be worn right now.

I will be the cantor at the Mass for October 2 that I attend, so I don’t think I’ll be wearing anything on my head. When I started out as a cantor, nearly 30 years ago, I used to wear a little black lace chapel cap, which hardly showed at all. That was when ladies in veils were a not-so-distant memory.

I fully support all of you who will be wearing a head covering on Sunday. God bless you all!

Betsy
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Betsy,
Thanks for the support!! It is warmly accepted! Also thanks for the Target heads-up. I’ll stop by during the week!

(And it makes me remember that I intended to post a picture yesterday of a wide hair band. I found several elegant ones online that I could not get to link properly, so here is one from Neiman Marcus that is purple and obvious, but it looks elegant in black.)
http://www.neimanmarcus.com/products/mh/NMD2696_mh.jpg
 
I wear a veil to Mass every Sunday (Traditional Latin Mass). I love it! All the women and little girls in my parish wear one. When I converted from the Novus Ordo to the TLM, a friend gave me an extra veil and the person who picked it up from her said he felt like he was giving me a First Communion present, that’s how special it was. The little girls with their veils are so cute at Mass. The big sisters help their little sisters keep them on.

A friend of mine makes veils. Check out her business:
lffa-ollmpc.com/ihm/

my Mother my Confidence,
Corinne
 
I love this idea. I’ve wanted to wear a headcovering for a couple of years. I read once that it is distinctive of Christianity that the woman wears a head covering in church and the man does not. To me, my wearing a headcovering is also supportive of the Theology of the Body (union of man and woman in a bond of love being a kind of image of the Holy Trinity), which is a great consolation and encouragement to me.

Having been a rather radical feminist at one period in my life, I love wearing a head covering as a joyful penance. However, lately I have interrupted this practice because I convinced myself that I was drawing too much attention, especially since my non-Catholic husband does not go to church with me.

With your encouragement and prayers, I look forward to wearing a hat or scarf again, at least on Oct. 2, and may God be praised!
 
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mamabear7:
When I converted from the Novus Ordo to the TLM
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Is that really how you describe it? “Converted” - as in, you “changed denominations” or something like that? No, no… that’s not how it’s supposed to work.
The little girls with their veils are so cute at Mass. The big sisters help their little sisters keep them on.
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Helping to prove the point that veils are often a distraction, to those who wear them and to those who don’t. And/or an element of “fashion”. Right?
 
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rcn:
Is that really how you describe it? “Converted”
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Hello again, RCN! While again you bring up wonderful points, I’m afraid they are outside the domain of this thread. I understand that the debate thread was closed, and this one is not looking to re-open the topic. We appreciate your prayers!
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Cathy:
I love this idea. I’ve wanted to wear a headcovering for a couple of years. I read once that it is distinctive of Christianity that the woman wears a head covering in church and the man does not. To me, my wearing a headcovering is also supportive of the Theology of the Body (union of man and woman in a bond of love being a kind of image of the Holy Trinity), which is a great consolation and encouragement to me.

Having been a rather radical feminist at one period in my life, I love wearing a head covering as a joyful penance. However, lately I have interrupted this practice because I convinced myself that I was drawing too much attention, especially since my non-Catholic husband does not go to church with me.

With your encouragement and prayers, I look forward to wearing a hat or scarf again, at least on Oct. 2, and may God be praised!
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Your words bring joy to my heart. I assure you of prayers and support!
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MamaBear7:
I wear a veil to Mass every Sunday (Traditional Latin Mass). I love it!
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Yes:
Forest-Pine
grotto
cargopilot’s wife
Brenda V.
netmil(name removed by moderator)
BlestOne
athanasiusrc’s wife and daughters
Lorrie
Detroit Sue
tadly’s wife
Helen HansenPye
JCPhoenix
Pug
soonersvi
Cathy
MamaBear7
Maybe
snow_white
paramedicgirl
CarolAnnSFO
the phoenix
rayne89
RosaryLady
(Any maybes who want to change to yes?)
 
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rcn:
Is that really how you describe it? “Converted” - as in, you “changed denominations” or something like that? No, no… that’s not how it’s supposed to work.

Helping to prove the point that veils are often a distraction, to those who wear them and to those who don’t. And/or an element of “fashion”. Right?
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I’lll make it short as someone said the debate thread was closed. Yes, I converted, and “denomination” is a Protestant term. I used to be an altar server, then a Eucharistic Minister. I dressed immodestly. I received God on my filthy hands. Now I dress modestly and receive God on my tongue. I’ve been taught by my priest during sermons about modesty, the Masons and other enemies of the Church, various heresies such as modernism, and more. I understand that there are very good reasons why only boys should be altar boys - no female altar servers.

Actually, it’s not a distraction at all. It probably didn’t distract that many people during most of the Church’s history, when just about everyone wore veils. I see them help to keep them on when I’m in line for the bathroom, outside of the sanctuary, not when they’re sitting in the pew with their parents.

my Mother my Confidence,
Corinne
 
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Forest-Pine:
Hello again, RCN! While again you bring up wonderful points, I’m afraid they are outside the domain of this thread.
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I’m sorry, but you don’t get to “own” this or any other thread, no one can grant herself the title of “thread mother”.

Instead of referring to my points as “wonderful”, which I sense to be just as sarcastic as the day is long, maybe someone could actually respond to them. To the points, that is, and not to “me”, and not to any perceived “hostility”.
 
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mamabear7:
Yes, I converted
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No, you didn’t. You’re still (presumably) a Catholic, still under the authority of your diocesan bishop. If he allows you to attend the TLM because he has permitted it in his diocese, fine. But you didn’t “convert” to anything. One doesn’t attend the TLM with the intent of denying that the “new” Mass is the Norm of the church. To assert otherwise is against the explicit wishes of Pope John Paul II in Ecclesia Dei. I hope you are not being led into schism somehow.
I used to be an altar server, then a Eucharistic Minister. I dressed immodestly. I received God on my filthy hands.
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Well, having seen your exposition on “modesty”, I can only imagine what you must consider to be “immodest”. And unless you presented yourself for communion immediately after working in the garden, your hands were not “filthy”.
Now I dress modestly and receive God on my tongue.
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And are apparently quite intolerant of anyone who follows the perfectly legitimate options for reception of Communion that have been laid down by the Church?
I’ve been taught by my priest during sermons about modesty, the Masons and other enemies of the Church, various heresies such as modernism, and more. I understand that there are very good reasons why only boys should be altar boys - no female altar servers.
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You’re being led astray, if you’re being led to believe that people who follow the lawful authority of their bishops are “enemies of the church”
But enough about that. Back to the planning for the fashion show. I think I’ll wear a football helmet.
 
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Forest-Pine:
…]So here’s a running count to date:
Forest-Pine
grotto
cargopilot’s wife
Brenda V.
netmil(name removed by moderator)
BlestOne
athanasiusrc’s wife and daughters
Lorrie
Detroit Sue
tadly’s wife
Helen HansenPye

Maybe
snow_white
paramedicgirl
CarolAnnSFO
the phoenix
rayne89
RosaryLady
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You can add me to the “yes” on October 2nd! I’m hoping this is for Canada too and not just the U.S… Is it “national” or “international”? 😛

Anyway, at my parish there are between three and five other women who wear a head covering regularly. Of the three I usually see, one wears a very short black headwrap (it looks kind of like a Sikh turban), another wears a long black mantilla (she must be very brave!), and the other is an African lady who wears an elaborate short headscarf with traditional dress (very beautiful). Sometimes my fellow choir member also wears a dark-coloured velvety hat. As for me, I wear a black beanie-like hat that fits very close to my head (actually, it went in the dryer so it shrunk and now it’s too tight… :banghead: ), except when I go to Mass with my family because they won’t let me. I’m thinking of also using that WYD scarf/bandana that they gave us in Koln.

I have a friend who wears a bandana to Mass, but she goes to the TLM.

Well, glad to see we’re not alone! 👍
 
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