Joker (2019 Movie)

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Did anyone see this? There’s been some concern over it in the media. I saw it today and it had some disturbing imagery but I think it had a very deep and important message about the seriousness of mental illness and about how we should just be kinder to everyone because this world is a dark place sometimes. Thoughts?
 
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I won’t see it- both because I have no interest in Marvel/DC, and because these sorts of movies glorify violence. It also doesn’t help that someone was dragged out of a theatre because they began maniacally laughing during the most gruesome moments.
 
It doesn’t glorify violence it does the exact opposite.
 
Parents guidance section in IMDb might have said it contains nudity so thus I don’t want to see it.🌹

( I presume sexual nudity from what I’ve read)
 
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There is no sexual nudity. A couple of underwear shots of a guy in the movie (like when he is dying his hair) and a man washes his sick mother in a bath but you don’t see anything more than a little cleavage. From what I can recall (saw last night).

Edit: just read IMDB, had missed most of the stuff mentioned there. Like they say, it’s hard to catch.
 
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I saw it. Thought it was great, acting was fantastic and the message I felt was a good one - I came away with more empathy towards the marginalised in society (specifically people with mental illness) because they did such a good job at the beginning of the movie showing how cruel “good” people can be to those who are different. But then again, maybe others would have taken a different message away. I don’t know.
 
Doesn’t have graphic nudity actually. Only time is when Arthur is bathing his mother, and that isn’t even nudity as most would show these days. There is some violence, but I’ve seen more violence in Rambo movies than this, and Rambo never got a hard R-rating. Joker is disturbing though as it shows a man driven into madness by society. It is a character study film, and maybe even a social commentary film. Seen it twice already and will go for a third. It is not an easy movie to watch though as you will have much to think about after seeing it.
 
I’ve seen it yesterday and I really don’t remember any nudity. We see the joker in his underwear at home, but that’s really not sexual in any way and we see him helping his mother to wash her hair, but we see only his mothers face and shoulder. The camera doesn’t go lower.
There are some very brutal scenes, but really no sex at all.
 
I noticed interesting catholic imagery in it .

Minor spoiler I guess?

In the scene where Arthur talks with the guy in the mental health hospital about the files of his mother he suddenly changes topic and says he has done some bad things. The way it is shown how he speaks through the grid which separates him from the normal guy reminded me of traditional confessionals, where people would confess their sins too through a grid. I thought it was interesting.
 
The Joker is a very good movie. Not just a good superhero movie, but a good movie in general. It’s worth a watch.

I can imagine Batman being an Anglican 😁, but to be honest, if Batman were a Christian (or even a Catholic), he would be too similar to Daredevil.
 
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I never go to comic book or super hero movies but this one looked different so I went. It was a little better than ok. I’d give it 2 1/2 out of 4 stars. I won’t say what I liked about it because of spoilers. Offsetting what I liked is it was difficult to watch the main character. I have sympathy for those suffering mental illness and neurological ailments but to watch it on a screen for two hours was difficult.
 
I saw the movie and I liked it. It’s important to remember it is NOT a superhero movie (I don’t think it was intended to be). It’s a horror movie, or at least a “psychological thriller.” Yes, it is a violent movie, but I don’t think it “justifies” violence anymore than, say, Sweeney Todd does.
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It also doesn’t help that someone was dragged out of a theatre…
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That was just a regular old disorderly drunk. It happens in movies everywhere all the time, but because the media have an agenda against this movie in particular, they played up that one incidence.
 
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Media hate it because it pushes notion of SWM as victim of single mom parenting, government corruption and mental illness

Media narrative is everyone except SWM are victims and instead SWM are inherently evil perpetrators of violence (mass shootings) or racism (Covington) or sex assault (Kavanaugh)

If SWM are victims, they can’t be evil, hence the media backlash

Media so afraid people will see it they tried to scare people away with false threats of shootings and that FBI are monitoring Joker threads
 
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afraid people will see it they tried to scare people away with false threats of shootings and that FBI are monitoring Joker threads
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Actually, there is a real fear due to the theater shooting from the Batman movie with the Joker in it. So, in Colorado, there is increased security and monitoring to avoid any chance of a copycat incident. This is just using sensible precautions and the police explained that this would take place.
 
You’re correct but the association is still there with all the Batman movies. The police just want everyone to feel safe and to let everyone know they are watching things closely. As far as I know, it was the police (maybe the FBI) that decided to monitor activity with the release of this movie. Some media may be hyping it more than is necessary but it was law enforcement’s decision.
 
Those of you asking why this movie now is getting people angry at its violence when many others have been made and acclaimed and no one said anything (like Tarantino’s for example), please bear in mind that maybe people are finally shocked by exposed fictional violence. We have been desensitized to violence in movies that is self-explanatory, we try to excuse it under the claim that the news are worse because they are real, and maybe this is where the problem lay - violence in news is yes, worse, than any fictional violence, but why dream about violence?
I am sure people who live in conflict zones and suffer from violence have no need to see it in stories, such as movies. They are the sane ones.
It is normal that after the recent real violence in the US people are starting to ask themselves more questions about why is it acceptable as a form of art? And the movie got bad comments outside the US as well.
Maybe we’re waking up to normality to be shocked by this movie?
 
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