Jordan Peterson?

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I don’t really get the hostility to the guy. Most of what he seems to preach is pretty common sense, back-to-basics advice.
I assume the root of it is that he publicly held his ground (including testifying before government) in asserting his belief that Canada should not adopt compelled speech laws regarding gender pronouns. While he never personally refused to call any actual individual by their preferred pronoun, he believed it was dangerous for a government to go beyond banning speech to actively compelling speech (including dangerous for transgender people who might face increased employment discrimination by employers trying to avoid liability – he and a transgender individual actually made that specific argument before the government panel). He’s also indirectly famous for the Lindsay Shepherd case.

I presume it’s this particular refusal to bow to a specific movement of ideological activists, that are at the root of a widespread effort to characterize him as a “mean mad white man” (to quote the televised Munk debate). So there was a huge push among a certain class of media/intelligentsia to publicly discredit him. He can also come off with a certain intensity, and has a deliberate way of speaking, which I imagine makes people roll their eyes if he says something they disagree with while using that tone (he’s only human; I imagine we can all find an example of him saying something we disagree with or think doesn’t justify his declarative tone).

But the man really cares about people (again, to the point of crying talking about them; if you see him cry on video, you realize it’s not put on), and the core of his message is very simple and straightforward: clean your room. Stop doing things that hurt yourself and others. Don’t tell lies. And people who have never been so directly invited and challenged to do better, find themselves inspired and moved to actually make real changes in their own lives, and those people who know they’ve made healthier real life choices because of him, can’t easily be argued into believing lazy media slurs about how we should something something ignore or fear him because something something white males. The man’s a clinical psychologist. Helping people work through their own stuff to move forward is what his life’s work has been all about. The political stuff seems like happenstance: he’s an honest man who found himself in a time and place where doing what seemed right to him made him unpopular. But the core of the ‘movement’ related to him is very much about individuals applying very simple and straightforward advice, from a clinical psychologist, to their own lives.

Not to sound like a fangirl myself. I’ve honestly never bought his book. But I’ve watched him since back when it seemed like his life might realistically be ruined for the principled stance he took; his courage is profoundly inspiring to me. The evil that’s been thrown his way is real and close to me and he has navigated it with far more dexterity and grace than I can imagine myself doing.
 
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You ought to read the comments the audience writes in these videos.

I wouldn’t have any objections if these young white males were simply asking for guidance and support in their lives. They have every right to do that.

However, there are those who are expressing hostility and blaming Jews, Muslims, Catholics, women, the gays, non-white people, liberals, boomers, for their problems.
 
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My guess is Catholics who actually take the time to listen to non-Catholic speakers would go for the well-known giants like C.S. Lewis or more currently, maybe William Lane Craig rather than this Jordan Peterson
 
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You ought to read the comments the audience writes in these videos.
Okay! I’ve done exactly that. Here was my systematic method, decided upon in advance without checking what the results would be:
  1. Went to Jordan Peterson’s YouTube channel;
  2. Sorted videos by “most popular”; chose top three most popular videos;
  3. Scrolled down to comments sorted by comment popularity (so what audience comments receive the most ‘likes’ from other audience members). Took three screenshots each (maximum reasonable on my phone view of YouTube) of the very top comments, excluding none, per video.
Video one (‘Biblical Series I: Introduction to the idea of God’):

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Video two (‘Documentary: A Glitch in the Matrix’):

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Video three (‘Identity politics and the Marxist lie of white privilege’)

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So: peace and love, prayers for health, and affirmations that the man’s content is found helpful by people unable to attend university.

I can imagine that someone might feel nervous about the fact that the second video seems to talk about propaganda (what if the man’s a conspiracy theorist? What if his ideas promote conspiracy theorizing?) and the third video does have the word ‘white’ in the title (in the context of talking about Marxism and identity politics, which is indeed an area of interest for this professor, who is passionate about history and avoiding repeating its worst mistakes). But before someone gets too alarmed at either general topic I’d suggest we take the time to watch the videos (if we can find the time). And in the meantime acknowledge again that top audience comments are of the peace and love and think for yourself variety, not about oppressing or crushing others. (I’ll note for readers who have never listened to JP talk that under the third video, when he says “they hate the rich”, I imagine he’s talking about a far left Canadian political party (NDP) he campaigned with when he was younger; I’ve heard him tell that story before.
 
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You ought to read the comments the audience writes in these videos.

I wouldn’t have any objections if these young white males were simply asking for guidance and support in their lives. They have every right to do that.

However, there are those who are expressing hostility and blaming Jews, Muslims, Catholics, women, the gays, non-white people, liberals, boomers, for their problems.
But…is that Jordan Peterson’s fault?

Sometimes a message lands in an unexpected place.

Remember how Duck Dynasty was supposed to be a point-and-laugh show at southerners and Christians, but it wound up with a bunch of un-ironic viewership?
(I think King of the Hill was also supposed to be mocking, but wound up resonating with a certain demographic)
 
My guess is Catholics who actually take the time to listen to non-Catholic speakers would go for the well-known giants like C.S. Lewis or more currently, maybe William Lane Craig rather than this Jordan Peterson
For the record, I’m not suggesting a Catholic should seek Peterson out for his spiritual insights. Definitely agree that CS Lewis would be a more interesting recommendation for spiritual reading. 🙂

Regarding Peterson, the man’s a clinical psychologist and Jungian, not a priest. Personally I admire him for his extraordinary example of grace and cleverness under crushing cultural pressures and targeted attacks, and if anything I think his personal integrity is what we can all learn from.

That said, even notable figures like Bishop Robert Barron talk about Peterson’s popularity as a sign of, and I am quoting the bishop here, “hope”. Bishop Robert Barron has said, on stage on camera, during a public discussion with Dave Rubin, that he, Bishop Barron, personally told the USCCB that they should see the Jordan Peterson phenomenon as reason for “hope”.

Many atheists are being brought to realize there’s something to this whole ‘God’ thing (whether or not all of them come the whole way to theism, right away). Many people of all backgrounds are seeking to be challenged to be and do better than they have been. The man can have an overall positive effect on the culture without Catholics having to think he’s a guru who will move our spirituality forward.
However, there are those who are expressing hostility and blaming… the gays…
Are you not familiar with Dave Rubin? The gay man who toured for a year with Jordan and described the experience and interactions with Jordan’s audience as a non-stop love fest? Who to this day raves about Jordan and Jordan’s audience both?

I don’t doubt that it’s possible to find distasteful people who try to associate themselves with any idea or person. I do think it’s unfair to uncritically blame an idea or person for distasteful people (especially in something as uncontrollable as Internet randos) who try to associate themselves with that person or idea.

I honestly think that if we actually look at the core of what Peterson actually says, and the core and emphasis of what his audience actually receives, Peterson has been hugely helpful to the culture. I agree with Bishop Robert Barron in seeing Peterson as a sign of hope.
 
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You have a point.

I do listen to Jordan Peterson and he does have some good points.
 
Gulag!
Actually, I don’t know much about him. I watch Freedom Toons A LOT and it has him yelling a lot about the GULAG!
 
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