Josephian Rosary?

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Well… I don’t think Joseph was full of grace like Mary was…
 
St Louis de Montfort recommended the “Hail Joseph” prayer in his True Devotion to Mary.

There is the chaplet of St Joseph with purple and white beads, but I think I like this rosary much better!

The cultus of St Joseph in the West is very well developed and Spanish theologians in the days of the Spanish Empire taught that St Joseph was also conceived immaculately and was taken to heaven bodily. There was/is the devotion to the Admirable Heart of St Joseph.

In the Orthodox Catholic East, St John the Baptist is also believed to have been sanctified in the womb of his mother, St Elizabeth as his Conception and Birth have feastdays.

St Nicholas’ birthday is celebrated on August 11 (old calendar) which suggests he was sanctified in the womb of his mother.

St John the Theologian/Apostle is believed to have been taken up bodily into heaven which likewise suggests a very high degree of holiness.

I’ve no problem accepting the holiness in this way of St Joseph, I think we don’t honour St Joseph enough nowadays and I’m promoting a Canadian association to St Joseph as our national patron for people to take the day off and attend Mass and promote various St Joseph devotions like the Scapular (thank you Gateway!), the cincture and his Rosary, with the St Joseph’s Altar/Table.

This is all on the level of pious devotion so any Catholic is entitled to believe and practice it.

Alex
 
Alexander:

The Discalced Carmelites are deeply devoted to St. Joseph. There are many Discalced Carmelites in Canada, maybe they could provide you with resources in your work on St. Joseph;s behalf.
 
Marsha_Adams said:
Alexander:

The Discalced Carmelites are deeply devoted to St. Joseph. There are many Discalced Carmelites in Canada, maybe they could provide you with resources in your work on St. Joseph;s behalf.
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Thank you for that advice! I will follow up!

Alex
 
Marsha_Adams said:
Alexander:

The Discalced Carmelites are deeply devoted to St. Joseph. There are many Discalced Carmelites in Canada, maybe they could provide you with resources in your work on St. Joseph;s behalf.
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All Carmelites have a particular devotion to St Joseph as he is the protector of our Order.
 
AndrewF1995 said:
Well… I don’t think Joseph was full of grace like Mary was…
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Mary is full of grace because she was without sin, the same cannot be said about Joseph. THe Hail Mary is also taken directly from Gabrial’s greeting to Mary.
 
But it doesn’t have to. Again, it is legitimate for Catholics to believe that St Joseph was conceived immaculately and that he was taken bodily to heaven.

In any event, the Most Holy Virgin Mary is above all the Angels and Saints, period!

Alex
 
Alexander_Roman said:
But it doesn’t have to. Again, it is legitimate for Catholics to believe that St Joseph was conceived immaculately and that he was taken bodily to heaven.

In any event, the Most Holy Virgin Mary is above all the Angels and Saints, period!

Alex
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No it isn’t.

Ineffabilis Deus said:
We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.
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brotherjoe said:
I think he is full of grace NOW…aren’t all the saints in Heaven?
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Perhaps so, but the “full of grace” in the Hail Mary always referred to the fact that she was so in life. I think that even if St. Joseph is so, the phrase “full of grace” shouldn’t be used because of the connotation that it already has.
 
Dreadnought said:
No it isn’t.
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The fact that there is an infallible pronouncement of this concerning the Mother of God does NOT mean Catholics cannot believe, by way of pious opinion, that the same was true of St Joseph.

In fact, Catholics historically have done so.

In the Catholic East, we assert that John the Baptist was likewise sanctified at his conception (although not to the degree that the Mother of God was).

This quote actually doesn’t contradict any of this.

Alex
 
But it is not a pious opinion. It is simply a wrong opinion. And Saint John was sanctified in the womb after conception when Our Blessed Lady visited her cousin Saint Elizabeth.
By a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God,
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Catholics cannot believe that Saint Joseph was immaculately conceived in light of the above. This belongs to Mary alone.
 
Dreadnought said:
But it is not a pious opinion. It is simply a wrong opinion. And Saint John was sanctified in the womb after conception when Our Blessed Lady visited her cousin Saint Elizabeth.

Catholics cannot believe that Saint Joseph was immaculately conceived in light of the above. This belongs to Mary alone.
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Well, for one thing, there is no dogma that says the Baptist was sanctified during the Visitation. In fact, the Eastern Catholic Churches celebrate the feast of the Baptists’ Conception. Since the feast of saints only can be celebrated, this means that by “lex orandi” the Forerunner was sanctified at his conception. He could have been filled with the Holy Spirit again at the Visitation - the East has a dynamic understanding of this.

But I specifically fail to see why St Joseph cannot be seen to have been conceived immaculately as part of pious opinion (not wrong opinion). Spanish theologians during the days of the Spanish Empire posited both the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of St Joseph as pious opinions. The Spanish Empire also declared that any Catholic living as a subject of the Spanish Monarch HAD to accept the Immaculate Conception of the BVM.

Where in the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the BVM does it say one cannot believe in the IC of St Joseph?

It’s just not there. Certainly, the BVM is higher than all the Angels and Saints and no one is questioning that (which would be heresy).

Alex
 
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