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Wesley7
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My favorite subject.
What are the main reasons Orthodox Jews reject the New Testament?
What are the main reasons Orthodox Jews reject the New Testament?
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Verus_Israel
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John_Goddard
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Messiah didn’t bring peace and all those things he is supposed to do. However he had to be rejected first, Isaiah 53.
Messiah can’t be defeated before his job is done. Isaiah 42:4. However he wasn’t defeated which is what resurrection proved. Then he returns when the world is ready for him.
Messiah can’t be God only a man. However: Zechariah 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Messiah needs to descend from David’s bowels. However God can resurrect a baby of David’s inside of Mary’s womb, since resurrection and birth miracle with Sarah are precedents that allow for this.
Men can’t pay for the sins of others. But David’s baby did when he had Uriah killed in battle, 2 Samuel 12:14.
Anyway how Jesus really saves is when we repent of sin and he gives mercy, since that is one of the functions of God’s King. Isaiah 11:3-4 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
So there are really no good reasons why Jews reject the NT.
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Kaninchen
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Well, Christians reject a whole range of pious fictions - the Qur’an and the Book of Mormon, to name but two. We just reject one more than Christians.
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Wesley7
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helloHi!
May I ask what you mean, exactly, by “reject the New Testament”?
I understand that Orthodox Jews, who practice a strict form of Judaism - reject Jesus Christ and the basic message of the New Testament.
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Kaninchen
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Well, it’s not just Orthodox Jews who don’t accept the whole business. People who believe in Jesus Christ and the basic message of the New Testament are, as far as I’m aware, known as ‘Christians’.
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Wesley7
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In that case, can you provide specific examples of why Orthodox Jews reject Jesus Christ and the basic NT message?
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Kaninchen
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It’s not a case of ‘specific’ examples when one doesn’t accept any of it.
To you, the New Testament is ‘reportage’, to me it’s merely ‘confection’ - in the same sense that the Book of Mormon is to you.
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Isa_Almisry
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You must have some interesting talks with the Samaritans.
I don’t rightly recalled, but did you make a comment in being in post-Chrisitan society or post-religious society?
Rejection of the Quran and the Book of Mormon played no role in our formation of the NT canon. The Muslim and Mormons were not among us, and so didn’t need to expel them. The same cannot be said for the formation of the Tanakh and synagogue.
Your friends the Muslims and the Mormons claim to believe in Jesus Christ and the basic message of the NT.
silly rabbit, confection is for kids.
The problem is that the claims of the BoM is not dwelt wtih at all in the NT, whereas your Tanakh and Talmud have to deal with the NT in several spots.
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Kaninchen
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Either you have misunderstood my comment or you will have to explain your answer - I said nothing about the Qur’an and Book of Mormon playing a role in the formation of the NT canon.You must have some interesting talks with the Samaritans.
I don’t rightly recalled, but did you make a comment in being in post-Chrisitan society or post-religious society?
Rejection of the Quran and the Book of Mormon played no role in our formation of the NT canon. The Muslim and Mormons were not among us, and so didn’t need to expel them. The same cannot be said for the formation of the Tanakh and synagogue.
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Isa_Almisry
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You compared the relationship of the BoM and Quran to the NT to the relationship to the Tanakh/OT.
I just was showing that your comparison was not apt.
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Kaninchen
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No, I said that I viewed the NT in the same way as a Christian would view the Qur’an and Book of Mormon - ie pious fictions.
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Isa_Almisry
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You described what you do, but the original question was why (I’ll include with the Orthodox here, although I know that’s not correct) you do it.
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Kaninchen
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Because it’s all a pious fiction.
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Isa_Almisry
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Kaninchen
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I didn’t realize that the New Testament included the Tanakh, I thought Christians attached the New Testament at the end of the Tanakh so I said that the NT was a pious fiction. Of course, if in your sect they include the Tanakh in the middle of the NT text, then it would just be the parts that are not in the Tanakh.
I hope that helps.
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Isa_Almisry
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In our CHURCH, we have the OT. Like the Apostles and the majority of Jews in the time of Jesus, we don’t use the Tanakh (which didn’t exist at the time) at all, unlike the Vatican and the Protestants.
So, how is the Tanakh not a pious fiction?
Hope that helps.
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Kaninchen
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Whether the Tanakh is, or is not, pious fiction is orthogonal to the question put which is about why we don’t accept the ‘New Testament’. Whether the Tanakh is ‘pious fiction’ or not is a topic for another thread.
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John_Goddard
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If Tanach can also be seen as pious fiction then perhaps you may elaborate on the specific flaws you see in the NT. A Jewish rebuttal to my post for example would be good.
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Isa_Almisry
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ooooh. We don’t usually use such big words in the US (like “contection”: usually we say “candy,” like “Chicago is the candy capital of the world.” or was
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Judaism/Christianity#2.
I think Tanakh falls somewhere in there.
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