Judaism: emphisizes the importance of life

[Valke2]

btw, for all I know, in the example of the atopic pregnancy, the Jew would have the operation to remove the tube. I just don’t see how, under Jewish law, one operation is preferable to another.

 

[Karin]

btw, for all I know, in the example of the atopic pregnancy, the Jew would have the operation to remove the tube. I just don’t see how, under Jewish law, one operation is preferable to another.

Last night you did not know what the Jewish woamn would do …now you do.
Can you please reference where you found this info…thank you.

 

[Karin]

btw, for all I know, in the example of the atopic pregnancy, the Jew would have the operation to remove the tube. I just don’t see how, under Jewish law, one operation is preferable to another.

I think that Mr. Ex. Nihilo stated it quite cleary and simply the moral differece…
mr. ex nihilo:

One is a matter of intent to abort the child by either injecting it with saline solution, or ripping it apart within the womb, with the specific goal of killing the child.

One is a matter of intent to save the woman by removing the damaged organs in question and allowing the natural process take its course for the child, with the specific goal of saving the woman.

 

[Valke2]

Valke2;1590746:

You need to understand that the child within the womb was going to perish naturally due to the complications involved with their conception regardless of what action we take.

I don’t know how I can convince you I understand other than by telling you I understand.

So we’re not terminating the life of the child. We’re only allowing what was going to naturally happen regardless of what action we took-- and this is different, at least in this specific regard, from the Judaic view.

ANd you are quibbling because Judaism would permit the termination of the fetus by direct intervention, whereas Catholicism allows the removal of the tube. Depsite the fact that both operations will result in the termination of a fetus that was going to die anyway. I get it. If you want to believe that by doing it your way, you are somehow being more moral, that’s your right. I just don’t agree.

Again. I understand. I just don’t agree.

And we still have not addressed my question (at least I don’t think we have). In a situation where the mother will certainly die if the pregnancy is not terminated, but that the baby may actually live if left alone – meaning that the baby can survive but only at the cost of the mother’s life – would Catholicsm allow:

a. an abortion (as I said before, my understanding is no); or

b. an operation similar to the one you described – that is one in which the goal is not to terminate the pregancy but will absolutely have that result anyway.

 

[Karin]

Mr. Ex Nihilo;1590877:

I don’t know how I can convince you I understand other than by telling you I understand.

ANd you are quibbling because Judaism would permit the termination of the fetus by direct intervention, whereas Catholicism allows the removal of the tube. Depsite the fact that both operations will result in the termination of a fetus that was going to die anyway. I get it. If you want to believe that by doing it your way, you are somehow being more moral, that’s your right. I just don’t agree.

you do not understand…but if you like we can stop and let you keep thinking that you do.

valke2:

And we still have not addressed my question (at least I don’t think we have). In a situation where the mother will certainly die if the pregnancy is not terminated, but that the baby may actually live if left alone – meaning that the baby can survive but only at the cost of the mother’s life – would Catholicsm allow:

a. an abortion (as I said before, my understanding is no); or

b. an operation similar to the one you described – that is one in which the goal is not to terminate the pregancy but will absolutely have that result anyway.

you have not provided enough info. what is the medical issue with the mom? how far along is she in her pregnancy?

 

[Valke2]

Valke2;1592306:

you have not provided enough info. what is the medical issue with the mom? how far along is she in her pregnancy?

That’s all the info you need. Medically, it is impossible for the baby and the mother to be both saved. If the pregnancy is not interferred with, it is possible the baby will live, but the mother will surely die. The mother can be saved but only by terminating the pregnancy.

I"m not a doctor so I can’t give you the details of the imaginary patients condition.

 

[Karin]

That’s all the info you need. Medically, it is impossible for the baby and the mother to be both saved. If the pregnancy is not interferred with, it is possible the baby will live, but the mother will surely die. The mother can be saved but only by terminating the pregnancy.

I"m not a doctor so I can’t give you the details of the imaginary patients condition.

no it is not all the info i need…and without the info requested I can not reply to your question

 

[Valke2]

no it is not all the info i need…and without the info requested I can not reply to your question

So don’t reply.