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You know Jews have accepted every prophet (after the fact) except John the Baptist and Jesus Christ. After 2000 years they still don’t accept him which effectively ends prophecy in Judaism because any prophet sent to them from Christ onward would be in prophecy in Christ (whom they do not accept). I wonder if Jews in Israel sit around waiting for the next prophet and I wonder how long it will take Israeli Jews to figure out that no prophet will be sent to them that they will accept.

You got to figure that Israel was just recently re-established and by now Jews are hoping for Word from God through prophets.

Question: Do you think God would send prophets to Israel today even though Israel rejects its King? And how do you think this would play out if God did send prophets to Israel today?
 
You know Jews have accepted every prophet (after the fact) except John the Baptist and Jesus Christ. After 2000 years they still don’t accept him which effectively ends prophecy in Judaism because any prophet sent to them from Christ onward would be in prophecy in Christ (whom they do not accept). I wonder if Jews in Israel sit around waiting for the next prophet and I wonder how long it will take Israeli Jews to figure out that no prophet will be sent to them that they will accept.

You got to figure that Israel was just recently re-established and by now Jews are hoping for Word from God through prophets.

Question: Do you think God would send prophets to Israel today even though Israel rejects its King? And how do you think this would play out if God did send prophets to Israel today?
Prophets? No.

[BIBLEDRB]Luke 16:16[/BIBLEDRB]

The prophetic age is over; we’re living in the apostolic age. The only thing that needs to be sent to Israel is missionaries, but they’ve been there since… 33 AD
 
You know Jews have accepted every prophet (after the fact) except John the Baptist and Jesus Christ.
It depends what you mean by accept. I know many Jews who believe Jesus was a good person. If you mean Jesus is the only path to salvation, no they do not. 🙂
I wonder if Jews in Israel sit around waiting for the next prophet
Nah, the Jews I know mostly struggle with whether to eat Kosher or not and want nothing to do with the Christian way! They are apalled by a code of morality that allows people with a history of terrible works to go to Heaven if they repent, and that condemns people with a history of great works to go to Hell if they don’t repent.

According to Reformed Jews, an atheist who contributes to charities and volunteers such as myself, is more likely to be on God’s good list… and a Catholic who just shows up to church on Sundays and confesses on His naughty list! An interesting point, for those who say us atheists are banking everything on No God. 😛
 
Prophets? No.

[BIBLEDRB]Luke 16:16[/BIBLEDRB]

The prophetic age is over; we’re living in the apostolic age. The only thing that needs to be sent to Israel is missionaries, but they’ve been there since… 33 AD
Yes but prophecy is a gift of the Holy Spirit and he who prophesies is a prophet. Agabus was a prophet after Christ, given the gift of prophecy he is the one that prophesied to Paul that he (Paul) was to be bound by the Jews, which set off the whole journey to Rome.

The prophetic age did not end. The Old Covenant prophecy ended with John the Baptist and the New Covenant prophecy began with Christ.

A prime example of prophecy is Fatima. The children of Fatima were prophets since they had the message of prophecy.
 
It depends what you mean by accept. I know many Jews who believe Jesus was a good person. If you mean Jesus is the only path to salvation, no they do not. 🙂

Nah, the Jews I know mostly struggle with whether to eat Kosher or not and want nothing to do with the Christian way! They are apalled by a code of morality that allows people with a history of terrible works to go to Heaven if they repent, and that condemns people with a history of great works to go to Hell if they don’t repent.

According to Reformed Jews, an atheist who contributes to charities and volunteers such as myself, is more likely to be on God’s good list… and a Catholic who just shows up to church on Sundays and confesses on His naughty list! An interesting point, for those who say us atheists are banking everything on No God. 😛
Well the people that have a history of terrible works, that repent are those that change into the good. The people that have the history of great works, that don’t repent are those who don’t know they dwell within their own filth and hypocrisy.

You see one who repents knows he has sin. And one who does not repent does not realize his own sins. The repentant one has forgiveness because he works on eliminating his sin. The unrepentant one does not have forgiveness because he does not work on eliminating his sin but remains in his ignorance.

According to Jews? Are you going to take advice from a people that rejects their own King.

This is good philosophy–that a man place a Lord over himself, to govern himself, and direct him in his ways. It is foolishness not to have the Lord over oneself. If you ever want to grow up from your childish ways and become a man then place the Lord over you and you will know Virtue. Virtue will dwell within you and you can finally say that you are a man. You will know what it means to be a man.
 
Well the people that have a history of terrible works, that repent are those that change into the good. The people that have the history of great works, that don’t repent are those who don’t know they dwell within their own filth and hypocrisy.
So you say. I know which I’d punish if I were on a jury, which I’d count as a friend, and which I’d rather spend eternity with. My answer’s closer to the Jewish one. 🙂
You see one who repents knows he has sin. And one who does not repent does not realize his own sins. The repentant one has forgiveness because he works on eliminating his sin. The unrepentant one does not have forgiveness because he does not work on eliminating his sin but remains in his ignorance.
Right. So two men go before the court–

The first man, being a poor planner, lived a mediocre life for 40yrs. He did little to help anyone, especially himself. One day his wife chose to leave him. Enraged, he took his 12 gauge and shot her twice. He then began crying and begged forgiveness. He read the bible through and through a few times before his execution.

The second man had a successful career and in his off-time was a foster parent, caring for children who had been abused. He watched Internet porn in the evenings after the kids were asleep. At his deathbed, he’s content he did more good than bad in the world.

Again, I know whose side I’m on! Personally, if I were God, man #2 would go straight to Heaven and man #1 would be reincarnated and have a second shot. I’m not the vengeful sort. 🙂
According to Jews? Are you going to take advice from a people that rejects their own King.
I take all sorts of advice from Jewish friends. Do you mean, am I going to convert? Nope! I’m a man of Reason, not a man of Faith. I will not believe in any deity until there’s strong evidence for its existance. And I don’t see any particular reason to believe Judaism or Christianity. But I enjoy Jewish food and Jewish friends. I would marry one. Their Faith is more compatible with atheism than the Christian belief system. I’ve dated Christians before, and in my experience it takes awhile to remove their faith, which I consider a necessary step for a relationship with long-term potential.

Jews haven’t “rejected their king” so much as disagree on which religious books to believe.
This is good philosophy–that a man place a Lord over himself, to govern himself, and direct him in his ways. It is foolishness not to have the Lord over oneself.
The only problem is, I’ve seen little evidence for your conception of a Lord. I don’t require proof, just strong evidence, the sort that civil and criminal courts do.
If you ever want to grow up from your childish ways and become a man then place the Lord over you and you will know Virtue.
Au contraire! As I grew up, I stopped believing in fairy tales. The Tooth Fairy. Dragons. Gods. Honest Politicians. I haven’t stopped believing in monsters. Those, of course, exist!
Virtue will dwell within you and you can finally say that you are a man. You will know what it means to be a man.
I have Virtues. Some the same as yours. Many are completely different. 🙂

Anyway, you wondered what Jews were thinking, and I hang out with Jews often enough to have some idea! I leave you with a “Namaste!”
 
You know Jews have accepted every prophet (after the fact) except John the Baptist and Jesus Christ. After 2000 years they still don’t accept him which effectively ends prophecy in Judaism because any prophet sent to them from Christ onward would be in prophecy in Christ (whom they do not accept). I wonder if Jews in Israel sit around waiting for the next prophet and I wonder how long it will take Israeli Jews to figure out that no prophet will be sent to them that they will accept.

You got to figure that Israel was just recently re-established and by now Jews are hoping for Word from God through prophets.

Question: Do you think God would send prophets to Israel today even though Israel rejects its King? And how do you think this would play out if God did send prophets to Israel today?
The Jesus figure according to Christian scriptures was born either around 4 b.c.e. (the year of Herod’s death) or in 6c.e. (the Roman census).

The age of prophesy ended with Malachai hundreds of years previously to Jesus. Why did the age of prophesy end?. The answer to that question has to deal with the purpose of prophesy as an opposing force to idolatry and magic. However, there is much that is negative about prophesy. It interferes with free will, with the ability of the individual to reason and follow Torah, to interact as an individual with God. If we know what is to happen, if we have an absolute authority to reason for us, we have negated free choice, we have negated the ability of the individual to reason and balance. On the one hand, the development of Oral law and the spreading knowledge and understanding of the written Torah, allowed the individual Jew to find and understand the balance between their good and evil inclinations using God’s guidebook- Torah. On the other hand, as the Gentile nations developed moral reasoning, the concepts of idolatry and its worse aspects were mitigated. So ended the age of prophesy.

As to the Jesus figure as a prophet (from the Jewish perspective) -God warns the Jewish people that they are to be tested with those claiming to be prophets who will produce signs and wonders and will try to bring the Jewish to follow “gods of others that you did not know” and to lead them from the observance of the commandments (Deuteronomy 13:2-6 see also false prophets where things prophesied by that prophet did not come true- Deuteronomy 18:19-22).
 
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