Judas/Eucharist

[Phyllo]

Was Judas present when Jesus instituted the Eucharist or was he already on his was to betray Jesus?
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[yosephdaviyd]

Was Judas present when Jesus instituted the Eucharist or was he already on his was to betray Jesus?
Thanks

According to the Gospel of John, Judas participated in the New Passover, and we given given the body and blood, which doesn’t say that he consumed. He rejected that teaching John would imply, and as would alluded to at the end of John 6 that he would.

The other Gospels not only tell us that Judas was there as well, but that he rejected the notion that he would be the betrayer and debated the other apostles on the subject. Moreover, Judas being a Jew wouldn’t have missed the Passover meal.

Shalom,

 

[Bohm_Bawerk]

Was Judas present when Jesus instituted the Eucharist or was he already on his was to betray Jesus?
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Judas probably was, as prophecy tells us:

“Even my close friend in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted his heel against me.” (Psalm 41:9)

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk

 

[Barbkw]

Matthew 26

He said in reply, "He who has dipped his hand into the dish with me is the one who will betray me.

The Son of Man indeed goes, as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed. It would be better for that man if he had never been born."

Then Judas, his betrayer, said in reply, “Surely it is not I, Rabbi?” He answered, “You have said so.”

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

Then he took a cup, gave thanks, 16 and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you,
for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.

John 13

Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I hand the morsel 9 after I have dipped it.” So he dipped the morsel and (took it and) handed it to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot.

After he took the morsel, Satan entered him. So Jesus said to him, “What you are going to do, do quickly.”

(Now) none of those reclining at table realized why he said this to him.

Some thought that since Judas kept the money bag, Jesus had told him, “Buy what we need for the feast,” or to give something to the poor.

So he took the morsel and left at once. And it was night.

USCCB Footnote:

9 [26] Morsel: probably the bitter herb dipped in salt water.

Mark 14

And as they reclined at table and were eating, Jesus said, “Amen, I say to you, one of you will betray me, one who is eating with me.”

They began to be distressed and to say to him, one by one, “Surely it is not I?”

He said to them, "One of the Twelve, the one who dips with me into the dish.

For the Son of Man indeed goes, as it is written of him, 6 but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed. It would be better for that man if he had never been born."

While they were eating, He took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, and said, “Take it; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, and they all drank from it.

Luke 17

Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and said, “Take this and share it among yourselves; for I tell you (that) from this time on I shall not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”

Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.”

And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.

“And yet behold, the hand of the one who is to betray me is with me on the table; for the Son of Man indeed goes as it has been determined; but woe to that man by whom he is betrayed.”

And they began to debate among themselves who among them would do such a deed.

 

[Phyllo]

Thank you all for your responses, they were informative.