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I’m RC and although the teachers of the Church will not come right out and say so ; there seems to be no compassion or forgiveness in the Church for Judas.

Even Judas’s motives in the Gospel are not clear and one could make a claim that he was just following orders as in the End Jesus seems to tell him go ahead do it.

John 18:9 (Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition)
That the word might be fulfilled which he said: Of them whom thou hast given me, I have not lost any one.

I don’t have a hang up about it as Judas is wherever he is now but I heard once that certain Eastern Churches are more sympathetic and that St. Jude could be Judas slipped into the Catholic saints.

Any thoughts :confused:
 
One can only speculate. The CC dares not to condemn anyone to hell, even Judas, but they are very shy about canonizing even very holy and revered people, so you can see why they would not want to canonize him.

As for St. Jude being the same as Judas Iscariot, that is simply false. Jude was a disciple completely different from Judas.
 
i saw on a public broadcasting tv station a show about the gospel of judas. they made it seem like Jesus choose Judas to betray Him because they were so close and Judas was the only one who understood. He killed himself b/c he could not bear what he had done to the Son of God, as if he was that important to Jesus. A total turn around of what we have always been taught. Someone trying to acquit Judas of his wrong??
 
St Jude is actually “Doubting Thomas.” He is St Jude of Thaddeus who was referred to later by Thomas not to be confused with Judas the Betrayer.
 
Archangelic,

This was the very question I asked when I first found CAF. I didn’t receive an answer then because I asked of the theologian, and didn’t realize that they get hundreds of questions every day and can’t answer but a small fraction.

That was three years ago, and finally I got an answer I could understand from one of the programs on EWTN. It is apparently a question that is asked every year during Holy Week.

The reason why Judas wasn’t forgiven wasn’t because he betrayed Christ, because he said he was sorry, and gave the 30 pieces of silver back. It wasn’t because he committed suicide, but because he committed the unforgivable sin, the sin of dispair, the sin of not believing that his sin was so great that it couldn’t be forgiven.

This is a very difficult thing to understand, since all of us played our role in the death of Jesus Christ, even to the saintliest among us whose only sin was the inheiritance of original sin. He died for the sin of all mankind. That means he died for my very personal sin. I have found myself feeling sad for Judas, since somehow I am able to ask for and receive forgiveness for my role in the crucifixion of Jesus, but Judas was not. I see that there, except for the grace of God, go I. I don’t think it is unreasonable to hope that in the moment that Judas hung the noose on the tree, stepped out on the limb, and jumped, he met Jesus, expressed his profound remorse, and was forgiven. I don’t even know if we are allowed to believe such a thing, but I can hope for him and for myself.
 
St Jude is actually “Doubting Thomas.” He is St Jude of Thaddeus who was referred to later by Thomas not to be confused with Judas the Betrayer.
No, Thomas the Apostle and Jude are also two different people.

Jude was also called Thaddeus; Thomas was also called Didymus.
 
i saw on a public broadcasting tv station a show about the gospel of judas. they made it seem like Jesus choose Judas to betray Him because they were so close and Judas was the only one who understood. He killed himself b/c he could not bear what he had done to the Son of God, as if he was that important to Jesus. A total turn around of what we have always been taught. Someone trying to acquit Judas of his wrong??
I’ve seen similar documentaries that speculate that Judas may have been hanged by followers of Jesus and it was assumed that he hanged himself.

Overall, only God knows what became of Judas. We should not be so quick to condemn him - after all, Jesus did know that he would be betrayed, and Judas did show extreme remorse. I think the manner of his death rules him out for sainthood.
 
I’ve seen similar documentaries that speculate that Judas may have been hanged by followers of Jesus and it was assumed that he hanged himself.
Since the Gospels explicitly state that Judas hanged himself, I would go with the Gospels and not the History Channel. 😉
 
Even Judas’s motives in the Gospel are not clear and one could make a claim that he was just following orders as in the End Jesus seems to tell him go ahead do it.
The Pharisees and Sadducees did not need Judas to identify Jesus for them, they were obsessed with “getting” Jesus and knew full well what he looked like. But the thirty pieces of silver allowed them to say, “See, the conspiracy against this Yeshua began within his own circle.” That is the nature of Judas’ screw-up, he allowed the priests to discredit Jesus in a way that hid their own hand in the matter.
 
No, Thomas the Apostle and Jude are also two different people.

Jude was also called Thaddeus; Thomas was also called Didymus.
And the most confusing thing of all?

All of them have the same first name. Judah is like the Gaius of Hebrew first names.

It means “Jew”.

RIGHT?! I can hardly believe it either.
 
The Pharisees and Sadducees did not need Judas to identify Jesus for them, they were obsessed with “getting” Jesus and knew full well what he looked like. But the thirty pieces of silver allowed them to say, “See, the conspiracy against this Yeshua began within his own circle.” That is the nature of Judas’ screw-up, he allowed the priests to discredit Jesus in a way that hid their own hand in the matter.
This is true, but the men at arms that went out to arrest Jesus would not have known what the Lord would have looked like, and so needed Judas to identify Him.

Judas broke the Hebraic cultural proscriptions twice in betraying Jesus, thus not only showing himself to be a betrayer, but to be a man of very bad character (we know elsewhere that he was a thief as he took money from the box the Disciples had for their immediate needs).

Judas, knowing full well he was going to betray Christ, dipped bread with the Lord from the same dish. In the cultures of that area to this day, if you dip bread together, you cannot ever betray the other person you eat with. This is also a proscription in Ethiopian culture (and a group would eat from the same large dish at table anyway).

Secondly, Judas actually kissed the Lord to identify Him to the men at arms. That, more than anything, showed him to be a man of truly evil and false character, given the fact that in those cultures a kiss is always a sign of respect and reverence in the first instance.

There are two ways given in the Gospel re: how Judas died. Other than hanging, it is also related that his insides burst open in what would become the field of blood.

In any event, medieval churches that depict representations of the various symbols assigned to each Apostle DO often depict the hangman’s rope and the bag with thirty pieces of silver alongside those of the others as a sober reminder that even Apostles and disciplies of Christ were not above temptation and sin.

Our Lord Himself, on at least two occasions, referred to Judas’ sorry state i.e. “the one who gave me over to you has the greater sin.” Or “It would have been better for him not to have been born.”

At no time in Christian history anywhere was there ever a movement to exonerate Judas or was there ever any “local cult” to him. That is simply Gnostic-based speculation taken up by an eager contemporary journalism seeking to create sensationalist revisionism for the purpose of making money.

They have been successful in their purpose so far - Christians should never be complicit in unwittingly supporting such business enterprises by giving them any kind of heed.

Alex
 
This is true, but the men at arms that went out to arrest Jesus would not have known what the Lord would have looked like, and so needed Judas to identify Him.
On the contrary, it is written (Luke 22:52-53) Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves? When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.
 
On the contrary, it is written (Luke 22:52-53) Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves? When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.
I raised this same quote with a priest-tour guide when I was in the Garden of Gethsemane some years back.

He said that they needed Judas to identify Jesus for the guards who would not have known what He looked like, especially in the dark.

Also, the elders would not have walked in front of the guards. They would have walked at a safe distance behind since they were convinced that Jesus’ disciples would have been armed and ready for a violent confrontation. Peter, at least fulfilled their expectation if but briefly.

Alex
 
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