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I think its kinda funny how fundamentalist try to argue the Judith is not scripture because it says Nebuchadnezzar was king of the Assyrians, when he was actually king of Babylonia, but they dont realize he ruled over the Assyrians so he would be there king.
 
However, in the very first verse it says that Nebuchadnezzar ruled in Nineveh, not Babylon.
 
Ninevah was in his empire, he conquered and sacked it along with the Medes.
 
Where does it say he ruled in Ninevah it just says He was king of the Assyrians in the great city of Ninevah, I would imagine after just defeating his enemies capitol he would be there it never says he reigned there.
 
The dhuoy bible is not the bible the Catholic Church uses, we use the NAB

It was the twelfth year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, king of the Assyriansin the great city of Nineveh. At that time Arphaxad ruled over the Medes in Ecbatana. from www.usccb.org
 
The dhuoy bible is not the bible the Catholic Church uses, we use the NAB

It was the twelfth year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, king of the Assyriansin the great city of Nineveh. At that time Arphaxad ruled over the Medes in Ecbatana. from www.usccb.org
Actually there are several Catholic Bibles including the New American Bible (NAB), Revised Standard Version Bible (RSV), Douay Rheims Bible.

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Here’s a link to the Douay Rheims Catholic Bible online.
 
But the Douay Rheims is a transaltion of the Latin Vulgate which I understand was accepted as without error by the Council of Trent. I think that many of the Catholics here would prefer the Duoay Rheims to the New American Bible.
 
Why should you assume Judith is to be read as a literal history?
 
There are a few instances in the Bible (the books Protestants accept, too) where the history is outright wrong compared with what we now know now. This in no way implies the moral and spiritual truths the passages contain are not valid. God let his inspired authors use fiction to convey truth, too!
 
Love, love, love the book of Judith. She helped me through a tough time in my life. I finally found out that God did not create beautiful women to be exploited by men. He created them because He could! Then they (me at the time ;)) could use use that beauty to our own demise or to His greater glory. I finally chose the latter and what a difference it made!

Since towns change names all of the time, it never bothered me about the difference in names between Douay and NAB. I didn’t need it to be literal history. I needed to understand God’s message. And wow is that message clear! When I tell the story I always act it out with my little short body dragging out that big heavy sword and ! 😃
 
There are a few instances in the Bible (the books Protestants accept, too) where the history is outright wrong compared with what we now know now. This in no way implies the moral and spiritual truths the passages contain are not valid. God let his inspired authors use fiction to convey truth, too!
That’s my point… some Protestants are very quick to find “faults” in certain books that would easily apply to books that they accept! They just choose to ignore them in those cases…
 
That’s my point… some Protestants are very quick to find “faults” in certain books that would easily apply to books that they accept! They just choose to ignore them in those cases…
I know and it’s so very frustrating. If we as Catholics point out the inconsistencies of the books they accept then we get accused of being “anti-Scripture.” How on earth are we possibly being anti-Scripture if we are seeking a full canon among all Christians? Most people I know who deny Christianity as a whole have given “Christians are split” as a main reason for not believing.

That Protestants deny the truth of Judith is so frustrating for me, especially on something so terribly insignificant like a town or a country. It reminds me of the “Peter was never in Rome” arguments because he used a code-name for Rome. Grrr. I just have to remember to pray using Jesus words, “That they may be one, as the Father and I are One.”
 
That’s my point… some Protestants are very quick to find “faults” in certain books that would easily apply to books that they accept! They just choose to ignore them in those cases…
Yeah, they accuse Catholics of streeetching to find scriptural basis for many of our beliefs, but I have heard quite a few stretchers to justify some of their beliefs, too. My favorite is the fundamentalist attempt to explain why they think it’s a sin to drink alcohol, even though Christ himself drank wine. They have to really dig, saying things like how what they called “wine” in the Bible was just grape juice. I always hit them with the “don’t get drunk on wine” verse from Proverbs. Sounds like pretty old grape juice! Then they say, “well, but the Bible also says we shouldn’t be a stumbling block to others, and if someone with a drinking problem sees us drinking, they may stumble.” That’s when I hit them with the fact that if that’s true, then Jesus must have been a stumbling block by drinking “grape juice” in front of all those sinners, some of whom must have been alcoholics. They stutter and fluster, then usually tell me I’m going to hell for worshiping Mary and the Pope.
 
Judith is, from what I understand, a purposefully historically ignorant book. It is even worse than Tobit in this area. But many have conjectured that this was done in order to draw attention off of historical places and events and draw attention to what really matters: God.

Esther, even the original Hebrew, is corrupted history too. I have a perfect God, which leads me to believe these “blemishes,” so-called, are not accidents, but rather that Yahweh used these stories (and still does) to encourage his people to resist oppression and in spite of living in a sinful world (at the time, the Babylonian world), to remain loyal only to him. Judith, Tobit, and Esther are all considered the same class of literature–a distinctive one at that. They pay little regards to history in order to clarify that their point lies in God, the Savior of his people, and that those who are faithful to him, even in bad circumstances, will prove triumphant. They are stories of encouragement, told, no doubt, to the suffering Hebrews at the time. It’s, to me, a joy to have them preserved and included in the Canon. They may not be historic realities, so to speak, but they certainly are spiritual realities, and their meaning is clear.
 
The accusations made by some Protestants concerning contradictions and/or historical inaccuracies in the books they reject are no different than the accusations made by atheists and Muslims concering the other books of the Bible.
 
I always hit them with the “don’t get drunk on wine” verse from Proverbs. Sounds like pretty old grape juice! Then they say, “well, but the Bible also says we shouldn’t be a stumbling block to others, and if someone with a drinking problem sees us drinking, they may stumble.” That’s when I hit them with the fact that if that’s true, then Jesus must have been a stumbling block by drinking “grape juice” in front of all those sinners, some of whom must have been alcoholics. They stutter and fluster, then usually tell me I’m going to hell for worshiping Mary and the Pope.
LOL that’s a good one… thanks! 👍
 
Leviticus 11,6: The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you.

Wow. That’s odd, because rabbits do not chew the cud; they only look like they are always chewing. Does that mean Leviticus should be stricken from the Protestant canon?
 
Leviticus 11,6: The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you.

Wow. That’s odd, because rabbits do not chew the cud; they only look like they are always chewing. Does that mean Leviticus should be stricken from the Protestant canon?
Yep, it would sure look like it. I never noticed before that rabbits were termed unclean in the OT! I learn something new every day.

There are a lot of reasons some people would like Leviticus struck from the canon and none of them have to do with hooves on rabbits. ;)😃
 
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