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Are Julia Kim’s visions and miracles valid and approved by the church?
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puzzleannie
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never heard of her. contact the bishop of her diocese to find out. If he says no, then it is no. If he has not made a ruling it is not even recognized.
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puzzleannie
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there is no link to any bishop’s statement either way so until you have that approval approach with extreme caution
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Luigi_Daniele
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Wow, she has stigmata, the Eucharist changed into flesh, visions, you name it. Seems to have all her bases covered
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Catholic1954
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I don’t believe that they are approved. I have heard of irregularities in the past few years that are disturbing, especially in the fund raising department.
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thistle
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They are not approved by the Church. From what I have read and the documentary I saw on tv some time back the whole thing is a money making fraud.
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KOREA Archbishop Choi of Kwangju Issues Ultimatum To ‘Miracle’ Performer
SEOUL (UCAN) – The head of Korea’s Catholic Church has warned a Catholic woman to stop propagating what she claims are private Marian revelations and has directed Catholics not to heed miracles without Church confirmation.
In yet another pastoral directive issued on May 5, Archbishop Andrew Choi Chang-mou of Kwangju, president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of Korea, said that Julia Youn Hong-sun must not insist on her divine revelations from a Marian statue and that her followers must obey the Church or face censure.
The directive urges Catholics at the alleged Marian miracle site to return to “normal and ordinary Church life” because staying there would “insult” the Church. “I make it clear that any clergy or Religious from any diocese or any country who participates in or presides at liturgical ceremonies at the Marian Shrine or Youn’s chapel without permission from the Archbishop of Kwangju is destroying the universal and local Church,” Archbishop Choi said.
He urged the Catholics to live their faith in unity and harmony, and to obey their bishop, a successor of the apostles and pastor of their local Church.
The archbishop noted that from Jan. 1, 1998, to April 3, 2005, he and his predecessor issued instructions on the matter three times, but Youn and her followers disobeyed and even challenged the Church by continuing to insist on “private revelations” or “miracles.” He said “this clearly shows they (do not) have any intention to maintain normal relations with the universal Church.”
Archbishop Choi also pointed out in his directive that between March and August 2003, he directly met Youn and her husband three times at a parish, in a diocesan office and even visited them to discuss the matter. He stressed that his predecessor, retired Archbishop Victorinus Youn Kong-hi, had the agreement of the Holy See and the bishops’ conference when he issued a pastoral directive concerning Julia Youn on Jan. 1, 1998.
Father Gabriel Park Chul-soo, the chancellor of Kwangju archdiocese, told UCA News on May 10 that the two earlier pastoral directives did not work, so the third one is a final chance for Youn and her followers to comply. “This pastoral instruction is similar to the previous ones in content but it is more like an ultimatum,” he asserted. “If they oppose it again, they can never take part in liturgical ceremonies, including Mass, as Catholics.”
If Youn and her followers again ignore or object to the Church’s official instruction, Father Park added, they will no longer be considered Catholics but followers of some sort of folk religion.
Julia Youn insists that she has received “private revelations” through her statue of Mary in Naju, 25 kilometers south of Kwangju, ever since it “started weeping” on Jun. 30, 1985. Since then, many Catholics, including several local and foreign bishops, have visited Naju. According to an Internet website devoted to the place (najumary.or.kr/grace), after Archbishop Youn issued his first directive, two bishops from Indonesia and the Philippines visited there in 2001-2002.
Youn, 57-year-old mother of four, insists that her weeping statue of Mary has even shed tears of blood and fragrant oil, and given her revelations, and that the Host fell “from heaven” several times when visiting bishops and her group were at Mass in her private chapel.
Youn and her group further claim that the Eucharist changed into a lump of bloody flesh in her mouth several times, including once in 1995 when Pope John Paul II gave her the Eucharist at the Vatican. At that time, the pope saw it but said nothing, the Naju website maintains.
Archbishop Choi warns that all who fail to follow his pastoral directive must be considered as intending to oppose the magisterium – the Catholic Church’s authority and power to teach true doctrine by divine guidance.
In a letter published on May 24, 2001, the archbishop urged Catholics to “obey the magisterium,” and asked Youn and her volunteers not to propagate the so-called miracles concerning her and the Marian statue.
However, 60-year-old Rubino Park Yeon-hun, Youn’s manager, disagrees with the instruction issued by Archbishop Youn and Archbishop Choi. Park says, “For us, it is basically invalid because the archdiocese has never investigated our case objectively and failed to bear any witness to its argument.”
Park, who has been following Youn for 20 years, told UCA News on May 10: “We cannot follow the pastoral directive because its argument and explanation of the miracle phenomenon of the Eucharist is not true. Since we are Catholics who seek truth, we cannot follow the wrong instruction.”
According to him, an average of about 4,000-5,000 people from within the country and abroad visit Julia Youn every month, “though they already know about the instruction.” Park also maintains that they visit “just because they know and experience what the truth is here. They are the real faithful.”
On Jan. 1, 1998, Archbishop Youn declared that visions and various strange phenomenon emanating from Youn’s body and the statue of the Blessed Mother “produce no evidence which proves they are truly supernatural and thus from God.” He thereby directed that publication or dissemination of material on the Naju events was “officially forbidden,” and called on Catholics to refrain from reading such material.
We must follow the Bishop.
SEOUL (UCAN) – The head of Korea’s Catholic Church has warned a Catholic woman to stop propagating what she claims are private Marian revelations and has directed Catholics not to heed miracles without Church confirmation.
In yet another pastoral directive issued on May 5, Archbishop Andrew Choi Chang-mou of Kwangju, president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of Korea, said that Julia Youn Hong-sun must not insist on her divine revelations from a Marian statue and that her followers must obey the Church or face censure.
The directive urges Catholics at the alleged Marian miracle site to return to “normal and ordinary Church life” because staying there would “insult” the Church. “I make it clear that any clergy or Religious from any diocese or any country who participates in or presides at liturgical ceremonies at the Marian Shrine or Youn’s chapel without permission from the Archbishop of Kwangju is destroying the universal and local Church,” Archbishop Choi said.
He urged the Catholics to live their faith in unity and harmony, and to obey their bishop, a successor of the apostles and pastor of their local Church.
The archbishop noted that from Jan. 1, 1998, to April 3, 2005, he and his predecessor issued instructions on the matter three times, but Youn and her followers disobeyed and even challenged the Church by continuing to insist on “private revelations” or “miracles.” He said “this clearly shows they (do not) have any intention to maintain normal relations with the universal Church.”
Archbishop Choi also pointed out in his directive that between March and August 2003, he directly met Youn and her husband three times at a parish, in a diocesan office and even visited them to discuss the matter. He stressed that his predecessor, retired Archbishop Victorinus Youn Kong-hi, had the agreement of the Holy See and the bishops’ conference when he issued a pastoral directive concerning Julia Youn on Jan. 1, 1998.
Father Gabriel Park Chul-soo, the chancellor of Kwangju archdiocese, told UCA News on May 10 that the two earlier pastoral directives did not work, so the third one is a final chance for Youn and her followers to comply. “This pastoral instruction is similar to the previous ones in content but it is more like an ultimatum,” he asserted. “If they oppose it again, they can never take part in liturgical ceremonies, including Mass, as Catholics.”
If Youn and her followers again ignore or object to the Church’s official instruction, Father Park added, they will no longer be considered Catholics but followers of some sort of folk religion.
Julia Youn insists that she has received “private revelations” through her statue of Mary in Naju, 25 kilometers south of Kwangju, ever since it “started weeping” on Jun. 30, 1985. Since then, many Catholics, including several local and foreign bishops, have visited Naju. According to an Internet website devoted to the place (najumary.or.kr/grace), after Archbishop Youn issued his first directive, two bishops from Indonesia and the Philippines visited there in 2001-2002.
Youn, 57-year-old mother of four, insists that her weeping statue of Mary has even shed tears of blood and fragrant oil, and given her revelations, and that the Host fell “from heaven” several times when visiting bishops and her group were at Mass in her private chapel.
Youn and her group further claim that the Eucharist changed into a lump of bloody flesh in her mouth several times, including once in 1995 when Pope John Paul II gave her the Eucharist at the Vatican. At that time, the pope saw it but said nothing, the Naju website maintains.
Archbishop Choi warns that all who fail to follow his pastoral directive must be considered as intending to oppose the magisterium – the Catholic Church’s authority and power to teach true doctrine by divine guidance.
In a letter published on May 24, 2001, the archbishop urged Catholics to “obey the magisterium,” and asked Youn and her volunteers not to propagate the so-called miracles concerning her and the Marian statue.
However, 60-year-old Rubino Park Yeon-hun, Youn’s manager, disagrees with the instruction issued by Archbishop Youn and Archbishop Choi. Park says, “For us, it is basically invalid because the archdiocese has never investigated our case objectively and failed to bear any witness to its argument.”
Park, who has been following Youn for 20 years, told UCA News on May 10: “We cannot follow the pastoral directive because its argument and explanation of the miracle phenomenon of the Eucharist is not true. Since we are Catholics who seek truth, we cannot follow the wrong instruction.”
According to him, an average of about 4,000-5,000 people from within the country and abroad visit Julia Youn every month, “though they already know about the instruction.” Park also maintains that they visit “just because they know and experience what the truth is here. They are the real faithful.”
On Jan. 1, 1998, Archbishop Youn declared that visions and various strange phenomenon emanating from Youn’s body and the statue of the Blessed Mother “produce no evidence which proves they are truly supernatural and thus from God.” He thereby directed that publication or dissemination of material on the Naju events was “officially forbidden,” and called on Catholics to refrain from reading such material.
We must follow the Bishop.
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deo_adiuvante
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I was quite skeptic but now I know. Thanks guys!
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BluesPicker
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Most Recent Statement I found:
kjcatholic.or.kr/naju/gong2008e.html
, Andreas Choi Chang-mou, A rchbishop of Kwangju, exercising this episcopal office according to the gracious concern and mandate of the Roman Pontiff, the successor of Peter, and thanking God always for His mercy and grace, promulgate, after serious reflection, the following decree for the unity and communion of the ecclesiastical community (Cf. Can. 391):
First , I judge that ¡®those who believe in Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena’ no longer have the intention to be in unity and harmony with the Catholic Church , because they have not acceded to and have opposed archdiocesan notifications (on January 1, 1998 and on May 5, 2005) and pastoral directives (on May 5, 2001 ). When between March and August 2003 I and accompanying witnesses visited the place of Julia Youn Hong-sun and her husband Julio Kim Man-bok and talked with them, I asked them to lead a normal life of faith [to attend Sunday Mass at the parish, to receive the Sacrament of Penance and Holy Communion (Cf. Can. 920,989), and to donate the denarius cultus to the parish] and I presented directives (to submit records of fund raising and of all gifts and goods received). They, however, have ignored these requests and directives. Moreover, they have not acceded to the final warning of the archdiocese in February 2005. Instead they have continuously claimed that ¡®Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena’ are a ¡®private revelation’ or ¡®miracles’. They have also raised money for the construction of an alleged ¡®temple’. They have pretended to be recognized by the Roman Pontiff or the Apostolic See. Through printed materials and online media (such as public relations brochures, publications, newspaper articles, the internet, and so on), they have libelled the Archbishop of Kwangju, and the Korean bishops, and even the entire Catholic Church in Korea.
Therefore, I am led to the final conclusion that their actions and attitude are not in accord with Catholic practice and thought and that they are not promoting a sound devotion and cult.
Thus, I declare that the clergy, religious, or laity who preside over or attend the celebration of the sacraments or sacramentals, against my prohibition, at any alleged ¡®oratory’ or the ¡®hill of Our Lady in Naju’ incur a latae sententiae excommunication (Cf. Can. 1336,1364). In doing so they are disobeying the pastoral directives and judgement of the Ordinary and they are thereby breaching Canon Law (Cf. Can. 1369,1371,1373) and destroying ecclesiastical unity and communion. This decree binds all the clergy, religious, and laity in the Archdiocese of Kwangju as well as all the faithful in the Catholic Church.
Second, I confirm that Fr. Aloysius Chang Hong-bin, a priest of the Archdiocese of Kwangju, no longer has the intention to be in unity and harmony with the archdiocesan presbyterium , because he claims that ¡®Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena’ are a ¡®private revelation’ and ¡®miracles’ and that following them is a matter of choice that the faithful make in accord with their ¡®conscience’. Also on several occasions he has not observed the solemn promise of obedience to his Ordinary that he made at ordination. He has not changed and defended his opinion regarding ¡®Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena’ in two meetings with the Archdiocesan College of Consultors (on June 1, 2007 and on January 15, 2008). Thus, he has shown himself as ¡®one of those who believe in Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena’ rather than a diocesan priest who observes the obligation of obedience to his Ordinary (Cf. Can. 273,278).
Therefore, Aloysius Chang Hong-bin no longer possesses the title and rights of a priest of the Archdiocese of Kwangju, and all ¡®common faculties attaching to diocesan priests in Korea’ previously bestowed by sacred ordination are revoked (Cf. Can. 194,1333,1336,1371).
I pray to God that, through His infinite mercy and grace, Julia Youn in Naju and her followers may recognize their errors as quickly as possible and through the Sacrament of Reconciliation return to the Catholic Church, the only place where they can participate in a true divine cult with the blessings of harmony and unity. May Mary in her Immaculate Conception, as the Mother of our Redeemer and our Mother also, and Saint Joseph , the Patrons of the Church in Korea, and all the Korean Saint martyrs, pray for us.
January 21, 2008
On the Feast of St. Agnes, Virgin & Martyr
Archdiocese of Kwangju
Archbishop Andreas. Chang-mou CHOI
kjcatholic.or.kr/naju/gong2008e.html
, Andreas Choi Chang-mou, A rchbishop of Kwangju, exercising this episcopal office according to the gracious concern and mandate of the Roman Pontiff, the successor of Peter, and thanking God always for His mercy and grace, promulgate, after serious reflection, the following decree for the unity and communion of the ecclesiastical community (Cf. Can. 391):
First , I judge that ¡®those who believe in Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena’ no longer have the intention to be in unity and harmony with the Catholic Church , because they have not acceded to and have opposed archdiocesan notifications (on January 1, 1998 and on May 5, 2005) and pastoral directives (on May 5, 2001 ). When between March and August 2003 I and accompanying witnesses visited the place of Julia Youn Hong-sun and her husband Julio Kim Man-bok and talked with them, I asked them to lead a normal life of faith [to attend Sunday Mass at the parish, to receive the Sacrament of Penance and Holy Communion (Cf. Can. 920,989), and to donate the denarius cultus to the parish] and I presented directives (to submit records of fund raising and of all gifts and goods received). They, however, have ignored these requests and directives. Moreover, they have not acceded to the final warning of the archdiocese in February 2005. Instead they have continuously claimed that ¡®Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena’ are a ¡®private revelation’ or ¡®miracles’. They have also raised money for the construction of an alleged ¡®temple’. They have pretended to be recognized by the Roman Pontiff or the Apostolic See. Through printed materials and online media (such as public relations brochures, publications, newspaper articles, the internet, and so on), they have libelled the Archbishop of Kwangju, and the Korean bishops, and even the entire Catholic Church in Korea.
Therefore, I am led to the final conclusion that their actions and attitude are not in accord with Catholic practice and thought and that they are not promoting a sound devotion and cult.
Thus, I declare that the clergy, religious, or laity who preside over or attend the celebration of the sacraments or sacramentals, against my prohibition, at any alleged ¡®oratory’ or the ¡®hill of Our Lady in Naju’ incur a latae sententiae excommunication (Cf. Can. 1336,1364). In doing so they are disobeying the pastoral directives and judgement of the Ordinary and they are thereby breaching Canon Law (Cf. Can. 1369,1371,1373) and destroying ecclesiastical unity and communion. This decree binds all the clergy, religious, and laity in the Archdiocese of Kwangju as well as all the faithful in the Catholic Church.
Second, I confirm that Fr. Aloysius Chang Hong-bin, a priest of the Archdiocese of Kwangju, no longer has the intention to be in unity and harmony with the archdiocesan presbyterium , because he claims that ¡®Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena’ are a ¡®private revelation’ and ¡®miracles’ and that following them is a matter of choice that the faithful make in accord with their ¡®conscience’. Also on several occasions he has not observed the solemn promise of obedience to his Ordinary that he made at ordination. He has not changed and defended his opinion regarding ¡®Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena’ in two meetings with the Archdiocesan College of Consultors (on June 1, 2007 and on January 15, 2008). Thus, he has shown himself as ¡®one of those who believe in Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena’ rather than a diocesan priest who observes the obligation of obedience to his Ordinary (Cf. Can. 273,278).
Therefore, Aloysius Chang Hong-bin no longer possesses the title and rights of a priest of the Archdiocese of Kwangju, and all ¡®common faculties attaching to diocesan priests in Korea’ previously bestowed by sacred ordination are revoked (Cf. Can. 194,1333,1336,1371).
I pray to God that, through His infinite mercy and grace, Julia Youn in Naju and her followers may recognize their errors as quickly as possible and through the Sacrament of Reconciliation return to the Catholic Church, the only place where they can participate in a true divine cult with the blessings of harmony and unity. May Mary in her Immaculate Conception, as the Mother of our Redeemer and our Mother also, and Saint Joseph , the Patrons of the Church in Korea, and all the Korean Saint martyrs, pray for us.
January 21, 2008
On the Feast of St. Agnes, Virgin & Martyr
Archdiocese of Kwangju
Archbishop Andreas. Chang-mou CHOI
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BluesPicker
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What is really scary is that despite from instuctrions from the Church, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faithl, people are disobeying the local bishops. The approval of such matters begin and end with the Bishop. The hierarchy of the Church is the Bishop then the Pope. I could say the ordinary which includes archbishops and cardinals too, I believe.
The matter gets confusing unless we are obedient to our Bishop.
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Sorry, about this but I just learned how to post a URL properly.
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A priest lost his faculties because of his disobedience to the bishop in the particular case. Catholic Planet has a good discussion about Julia Kim. He goes into detail about the factors that probably influenced the bishop.
It seems that obedience to the bishop would be a sign that the apparition or revelation would be genuine even if he at first would not give approval. I believe this was the case for St. Faustina. Sadly I had to really search because there were so many websites that admonished and contradicted the Korenan bishop. It is as if the apparition and not the bishop is in charge of his diocese. Plus, I have personally spoke to people whose rosaries changed color in the vicinity of Julia Kim.
In the Catholic Encyclopedia under "frauds", I believe, details the case a woman who was a nun and abbess who could levitate while in prayer and all sorts of strange phenomena confessed she had made a pact with the devil. If in these unapproved apparitions it is not God who causes these unnatural occurences then who causes them? Who is it who wants to be God and fell "like lightening?" However, we should pray for all concerned who are mislead by false apparitions. Pray and be on guard not to be mislead. This because one day something really evil is going to fool a lot of people according to the Bible.- Status