July 4 Fast

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jmcrae said:
They still have to abstain from meat and do Friday penances. Plus, I think the fast before Holy Communion applies to all communicants; not just those over 18/under 60.
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Can. 1252 The law of abstinence binds those who have completed their fourteenth year. The law of fasting binds those who have attained their majority, until the beginning of their sixtieth year. Pastors of souls and parents are to ensure that even those who by reason of their age are not bound by the law of fasting and abstinence, are taught the true meaning of penance.

So make sure Great-Grandma has some peanut butter and tuna in the house, unless she is ill. If she’s ill, the abstinence does not bind her.
 
In carrying over from a couple of other threads on this subforum, I (as bishop and pope wert to be) declare July 4 a day of jubilee in the United States, upon which there is no necessity for abstinence, but only celebration!
 
chicago said:
In carrying over from a couple of other threads on this subforum, I (as bishop and pope wert to be) declare July 4 a day of jubilee in the United States, upon which there is no necessity for abstinence, but only celebration!
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Should they do that for every country’s national holiday?
 
jmcrae said:
Should they do that for every country’s national holiday?
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I don’t see why not. I mean, it IS a day of genuine jubilee for that nation and culture. To do pennance, then, seems contradictory. Further, it only falls on a Friday every few years, so it is an occasional conflict.

I would also extend the privilege, on a more personal level, to birthdays and anniversaries.

We focus a lot (well maybe not all that much, but with more worry than necessary, I think) on what is required of penitential days. But in previous eras of history, they had much more in the way of “feast days” which were celebrated heartily. I think that some semblance of balance ought to be restored to our awareness and practice. So, if that means that an otherwise penitential day gets overridden by a natural feast day, then Praise God!

In all seriousness, therefore, I wouldn’t see where there would be sin involved with eating meat this Friday, with this in mind. Offer up in grateful praise to the Lord celebratory thanksgiving for the freedoms which we have in appreciation of his freeing us of sin. That, alone, ought to be enough recognition on the day which we celebrate our independence from the ties which bond.
 
adstrinity said:
Do the faithful in the United States still have to abstain from meat this Friday? May seem like a silly question, but, since it is not a Catholic holiday, and there is that seperation of church & state, but, all omnivores would like to grill this day…

I haven’t heard anything one way or the other, which is why I ask. I post here because I am supposing this would be under, “Vatican Rules.”
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In most countries (including the US) abstaining from meat is not required on Fridays outside Lent but some form of penance is required, of which abstaining is a choice.
 
Cristiano said:
For sure in the U.K.! 👍

(I mean 4th of July celebration)😃 😃 😃
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Perhaps the bishops of the UK should declare a dispensation for when the 5th of November falls on a Friday. If they can’t celebrate the day they successfully threw off the monarchy, they should celebrate the day they failed… 🙂
 
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I don’t see why not. I mean, it IS a day of genuine jubilee for that nation and culture. To do pennance, then, seems contradictory. Further, it only falls on a Friday every few years, so it is an occasional conflict.
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Hmm, are our nations really so wonderful that there’s no need for us to fast and do penance for the many faults and failings of our governments and people? I would think the national day of all days would be a good day for this. Eat and celebrate if you must, but also go to Mass if you can, pray for your country, offer up some other sacrifice for it …
ChemicalBean said:
Perhaps the bishops of the UK should declare a dispensation for when the 5th of November falls on a Friday. If they can’t celebrate the day they successfully threw off the monarchy, they should celebrate the day they failed… 🙂
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Quite narrowly if my history lessons serve - the plotters had been storing that gunpowder in the cellars under the Parliament building for a fair while before they were discovered, no?
 
LilyM said:
Hmm, are our nations really so wonderful that there’s no need for us to fast and do penance for the many faults and failings of our governments and people? I would think the national day of all days would be a good day for this. Eat and celebrate if you must, but also go to Mass if you can, pray for your country, offer up some other sacrifice for it …
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I don’t disagree. But, in essence, it is more a day of jubilee than one of penance and the focus ought, therefore, to be be on the right aspects. I would argue that an annual “National Day of Prayer and Penance” for each nation would be the more appropriate opportunity to serve as a counterpoint. I think it is a shame that most nations refuse to acknowledge their faults and make reparation.
 
If I am understanding this correctly, then, nothing has been proclomated about the National Celebration tomorrow because the abstinence rules are only non-transferably binding during Lent, but, otherwise, “substitutible,” and so, it would behoove me (and the lot of us) to do another form of pennance tomorrow, ONLY because, though it is a day for celebration in this country, it is not a Church holiday or solemnity, so, no pennance cannot altogether be observed?
 
chicago said:
I don’t see why not. I mean, it IS a day of genuine jubilee for that nation and culture. To do pennance, then, seems contradictory.
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I’m not so sure, if you look at that nation and culture, and what it has produced, maybe to do penance is the most appropriate thing! :rotfl: :whistle:
 
DL82 said:
I’m not so sure, if you look at that
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nation and culture, and what it has produced, maybe to do penance is the most appropriate thing! :rotfl: :whistle:
"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
2 Chronicles 7:14
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jmcrae said:
It’s First Friday, so for your penance you could go to Mass and then after the Mass recite the Litany of the Sacred Heart. 🙂
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Great idea, you are not required to fast unless it is in the season of Lent. It is a good idea though. Pray to the Sacred Heart!
 
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