Just attended first college mass it was a disgrace... what should i do?

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Ave maria university was where i went for a year very strong in catholic belief but very weak when it came to my major business administration. Although the school prepares you spiritually i still see the institution as being to new to help me long term on my career path. I still know many people who are attending Ave maria but they have drastically different majors.

I intend on changing some things around here by working with campus ministries, and if that doesn’t work i’ll attend mass at the opus dei center in new rochelle. I have written campus ministries here at iona an email, but still awaiting a response.
 
mcclan 10:

Your stated concerns brings up alot of questions in my mind. The concerns that you raise in your first post as “abuses” are minor indeed and it is questionable if they are abuses in the first place.

The first question to answer is, who is the eccleiastical authority ?
I assume the answer to that question is the ordinary see, i.e. the bishop. If the bishop has determined that customs and practices of Iona College are approved; then there is no question as to legitimatcy of such practices, i.e. no abuse has taken place.

The second question that comes to mind is: where is all this “abusive” actions taken place ? I was of the understanding that all “liturgical” activity takes place at St. Mary’s Chapel at Iona which does not correspond to the picture that you painted. At least this was how things were when I was there 6 months ago. As to scheduling a 7 PM mass on Sundays, I would say that appears to be pretty standard practice at most college campuses.

The third question is: if this was of upmost importance to you, why e-mail your concerns ? Why could you not just approach the chaplain and address your concerns.

I would like to say that I think that it is a good that you are going to “work with campus ministries”, my only advise is that you try and enter in with an open mind vs. the goal of making changes to one’s own liking.

Of course I am well aware of the fact that my words might just fall on deaf ears and that is why I do not post here very often.

Looking forward to hearing what kind of response you receive regarding your inquire.

In Christ’s Love,

Br. Mark, OSB
 
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mcclan 10:

Your stated concerns brings up alot of questions in my mind. The concerns that you raise in your first post as “abuses” are minor indeed and it is questionable if they are abuses in the first place.

The first question to answer is, who is the eccleiastical authority ?
I assume the answer to that question is the ordinary see, i.e. the bishop. If the bishop has determined that customs and practices of Iona College are approved; then there is no question as to legitimatcy of such practices, i.e. no abuse has taken place.

The second question that comes to mind is: where is all this “abusive” actions taken place ? I was of the understanding that all “liturgical” activity takes place at St. Mary’s Chapel at Iona which does not correspond to the picture that you painted. At least this was how things were when I was there 6 months ago. As to scheduling a 7 PM mass on Sundays, I would say that appears to be pretty standard practice at most college campuses.

The third question is: if this was of upmost importance to you, why e-mail your concerns ? Why could you not just approach the chaplain and address your concerns.

I would like to say that I think that it is a good that you are going to “work with campus ministries”, my only advise is that you try and enter in with an open mind vs. the goal of making changes to one’s own liking.

Of course I am well aware of the fact that my words might just fall on deaf ears and that is why I do not post here very often.

Looking forward to hearing what kind of response you receive regarding your inquire.

In Christ’s Love,

Br. Mark, OSB
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Respectfully, Brother, what makes you think the bishop always knows what is going on? He doesn’t in the Joliet diocese.
 
Can you provide the documents to support that your contention that it is the Bishop who makes the determination whether an action is liturgical abuse or not.
 
“The diocesan Bishop, ‘since he is the principal dispenser of the mysteries of God, is to strive constantly so that Christ’s faithful entrusted to his care may grow in grace through the celebration of the sacraments, and that they may know and live the Paschal Mystery.’ It is his responsibility, ‘within the limits of his competence, to issue norms on liturgical matters by which all are bound’ (See Canon 838,4).”

Hope this answers your question

Br. Mark, OSB
 
I used to live in the Joliet Diocese - in fact, I worked for it for 14 years. The bishop is surrounded with feminist women which might make you say that he doesn’t know what is going on. That isn’t the case though as he seems to be rather liberal himself. You can tell from the people he brings in to give talks to employees.

I live in Florida, am a 66 year old grandmother and have audited three classes so far at Ave Maria University. I believe it has tripled its population so perhaps they have new classes that would be able to provide the classes you are looking for.

Ginny
 
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ginny:
I used to live in the Joliet Diocese - in fact, I worked for it for 14 years. The bishop is surrounded with feminist women which might make you say that he doesn’t know what is going on. That isn’t the case though as he seems to be rather liberal himself. You can tell from the people he brings in to give talks to employees.

I live in Florida, am a 66 year old grandmother and have audited three classes so far at Ave Maria University. I believe it has tripled its population so perhaps they have new classes that would be able to provide the classes you are looking for.

Ginny
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Bet it has.

And I believe the current bishop of Joliet doesn’t want to know what’s going on, unless it’s to his convenience. Sadly, I know of other people who live in that diocese who are counting down Bishop Imesch’s retirement. And yet, there are places like St. Mary Nativity, wonderful parish, perpetual adoration, orthodox.

I lived in the Joliet diocese until I moved 25 miles northeast away and found myself in a much better diocese.

And I think the reason the Baccelaureate Mass at Lewis was tightened up this year was because the celebrant was a more conservative bishop whose neice was getting her BA.
 
Yep, that skull (it is a skull, right, I am not seeing things) is pretty bad.
 
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OutinChgoburbs:
Yep, that skull (it is a skull, right, I am not seeing things) is pretty bad.
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I didn’t check the site, but what is wrong with the skull? It might be a relic of a saint.
 
Michael Welter:
I didn’t check the site, but what is wrong with the skull? It might be a relic of a saint.
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In this case it’s not just a skull… It’s a HUGE picture or projection of a skull on a screen suspended from the ceiling.

(My guess is that it is flashing pictures of items in the church, a saint’s relic being one of them. This picture just happens to be a screen shot of that.)

But I think that screens are generally tacky at Mass. (I can understand special cases when there are huge crowds and some people are outside the church or if Mass is held in some kind of arena that probably has screens anyways.) But to have a very beautiful old cathedral or church altered to include a screen… It’s not so much a liturgical abuse as it is an architectual abuse.
 
Michael Welter:
I didn’t check the site, but what is wrong with the skull? It might be a relic of a saint.
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Of course, with light bulbs of erry colors in it. Why didn’t I think of that?:whacky:
 
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