Just Because I'm Catholic...

[awantz]

Recently, I tried to join a Protestant forum and was denied the right to join and hold discussion in ‘OTHER CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS’ along with Protestant, non-Baptists simply because I’m Catholic.

I have read their 7-page thread about why Catholics can’t join and have read a lot of interesting things as to why we’re not allowed to join and the main reason seems to stem from the fact that at least one Protestant was converted to Catholicism as a result of a Catholic member having been allowed to join. But quite honestly, it looks like fear is the driving factor behind why Catholics aren’t allowed to join. Their forum agreement says NOTHING about being Catholic and not being allowed to post. So to me it’s religious intolerance to ban a Catholic for simply being a Catholic and no other reason. After all, we’re all Christians here, are we not?

My mom wonders why I’d want to post at a forum where they don’t care what I have to say, but to be quite honest … there are quite a few misconceptions constantly posted about us Catholics that could be cleared up in a civil manner of discussion. Not to mention, it’s not fair to call our popes “evil” and then not let us have the opportunity to rebut it.

They claim they’re not anti-Catholic, yet they say Catholicism is errored, have tried to warn people of the damnation that comes from it, that it is heartbreaknig to see the deceit that many have fallen into, and that it is better to try and persuade Catholics from following their false teaching rather than to have sympathy for them because they can’t post at their forum. One of the pastors there evn goes on to say that sympathy for Catholics is a biblical command and sympathy for Catholicism is biblical disobedience. But, quite honestly, where does it say that in the Bible? I don’t even read anything in my Bible that says sympathy for Protestants is a biblical command and sympathy for Protestantism is biblical disobedience. After all, look at how long ago the Bible was written prior to actual organized religion.

The really sad fact to all this is that Catholics are very tolerant and allow Protestants to register at their forums as so long as they respect the Catholic faith. So, why can’t Protestants be the same way? I thought being Christian meant being Christ-like and Christ wouldn’t what they’re doing.

For the record, I love being Catholic and am strong in my faith. So strong that I would NEVER leave the Church. I don’t see us as non-Christians or even mis-guided Christians for that matter. Why must fear and intolerance play such an important role as to why Protestants treat us the way they do? It’s really quite sad. Quite sad indeed.

I am Protestant and I think that is totally unfair that they would not let you post there. If I had a forum, Catholics would be some of the most welcomed people there, maybe even more welcome than some Protestant denominations.

 

[calchiquita]

I received a gift card to Bordens Bookstore for Christmas and right now I’m trying to see if they have that one.

Border’s gift cards are also able to be used at Amazon.com I believe.

 

[Zirconia]

I have been following this thread (as interested but stupid Protestant) for some time…

First things first, I must say it is too bad there is such a vocal lunatic fringe around that seems to see it as some duty to be as obnoxious as possible toward those who do not share precisely the same attitudes they do…maybe we should all give each other a second chance (or third or fourth…)

As for the earlier posts (especially around 1/1/07 and 1/5/07), I feel I must also add that it is most distressing that Communion is apparently becoming an opportunity for fellow Christians to snipe away at each other…:nope:

I can respect the attitude that it is so serious that no unprepared Christian should approach it…especially if doing so is something that will come up on Judgement Day and you are trying to keep that from happening (I will already have enough to worry about )

Oh, and seems to me no one has a “right” to it…isn’t it mostly about Jesus getting whatever we rightfully should have gotten.

Just my two cents…

Zirconia

 

[Mannyfit75]

Catholics and Protestants both bear good and bad apples. It’s human nature.

 

[Robin]

There is value to freedom of association and the freedom to establish a place, a website, where people of like mind can congregate and discuss matters. I’ve even seen requests by Catholics at Catholic Answers to create a Catholic-only subforum. There is also value in having different perspectives discuss important matters in a cordial atmosphere where they can disagree in a vigorous yet charitable manner. I think that Catholic Answers serves this latter function very well. Determine which of the two types of approaches you are seeking and then look around. I think there are probably Protestant websites that are similar to the approach taken here at Catholic Answers.

If there are, I haven’t found them yet! I logged on to a Very well-known Evengelical site mainly to read an article I had been directed to. I registered to get on the forums about a week-ago, and I’m still waiting to get comformation in my e-mail that I have been accepted.

Maybe because the lead article for this week is the Great American evangelists of the century (1900s) The mentioned Billy Graham etc. I responded to the editor that she had forgotten Archbishop Sheen of the 1950 and late 60’s. I mentioned that he had his own show on a National TV Network - ABC - and that his shows could still be downloaded to enjoy.
Probably the Greatest American TV Evangelist of the 20th Century. To see him and to hear him was to love him. He was as popular as “Howdi Dudy”
and "“Leave it To Beaver” .

Here I think is the Crux of the problem. They fear Catholic exposure to their people.

 

[Robin]

Let us personify the words “ignorant” and “intelligent” for a moment. For the sake of argument, we will assign “ignorant” to Protestants and “intelligent” to Catholics. I do this simply because Catholics (by enlarge are far more inclusive of our separated brethren than they are of us. The difference between the two camps as we see it is simply those that have some of the truth as opposed to those that have a greater amount of the truth). “Intelligent” can walk down the street and meet and shake hands with anyone he/she encounters because he/she doesn’t feel threatened by being proven wrong. “Ignorant” however, must pick and choose who he/she socializes with because if they select “intelligent,” they could be made to feel irrelevant and insignificant. If they are viewed as being such, potential friends (hopeful prospects to their views) may be swayed toward becoming friends with intelligent. Therefore “ignorant” disassociates itself with potential competition in a vein attempt to gather to themselves others who will believe as they do. Now I ask you… which of the two sounds more “cultish?”

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[Godfollower]

As for the earlier posts (especially around 1/1/07 and 1/5/07), I feel I must also add that it is most distressing that Communion is apparently becoming an opportunity for fellow Christians to snipe away at each other…

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One point I think Protestants might not realize: When Catholics go to Communion, the priest (or extraordinary minister of Holy Communion) says “The Body of Christ” and “The Blood of Christ;” the communicant responds “Amen,” signifying that s/he believes that the bread and wine have actually become the Body and Blood of our Lord. A Protestant going to Communion in a Catholic Mass would therefore be announcing to the world agreement with something s/he does not believe in. So there is a good and valid reason to ask Protestants not to take part in Communion at Mass.

Another point: look around at pretty much any Catholic Mass, and you’ll see plenty of Catholics not going up to Communion. This is because of any number of reasons: they failed to fast prior to Mass, they are not in the right frame of mind to receive our Lord (e.g., sitting there stewing about what happened at work today, etc.), they already received that day, they still haven’t taken their First Communion, etc. No one stares at them. So a Protestant should not feel singled out or rejected during a Catholic Communion. Ya’ll may be our separated brethren, but it’s not like we hate you. We simply don’t believe it’s appropriate to ask you to join us at Communion.

Hope this helps.

 

[RNRobert]

Maybe because the lead article for this week is the Great American evangelists of the century (1900s) The mentioned Billy Graham etc. I responded to the editor that she had forgotten Archbishop Sheen of the 1950 and late 60’s. I mentioned that he had his own show on a National TV Network - ABC - and that his shows could still be downloaded to enjoy.
Probably the Greatest American TV Evangelist of the 20th Century. To see him and to hear him was to love him. He was as popular as “Howdi Dudy”
and "“Leave it To Beaver” .

I read in Milton Berle’s obit (I think in Time magazine) that his show was #1 for years until surpassed by Fulton Sheen’s show. Berle’s defense was that Sheen had better scriptwriters- “You know, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.”

 

[awantz]

One point I think Protestants might not realize: When Catholics go to Communion, the priest (or extraordinary minister of Holy Communion) says “The Body of Christ” and “The Blood of Christ;” the communicant responds “Amen,” signifying that s/he believes that the bread and wine have actually become the Body and Blood of our Lord. A Protestant going to Communion in a Catholic Mass would therefore be announcing to the world agreement with something s/he does not believe in. So there is a good and valid reason to ask Protestants not to take part in Communion at Mass.

I am a Protestant and I know what goes on at Communion quite well. What makes you think Protestants don’t believe the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of Christ? Just wondering, because I believe it. Since some Protestant churches believe it, that is no longer a good and valid reason. At least I don’t think so.

Another point: look around at pretty much any Catholic Mass, and you’ll see plenty of Catholics not going up to Communion. This is because of any number of reasons: they failed to fast prior to Mass, they are not in the right frame of mind to receive our Lord (e.g., sitting there stewing about what happened at work today, etc.), they already received that day, they still haven’t taken their First Communion, etc. No one stares at them. So a Protestant should not feel singled out or rejected during a Catholic Communion. Ya’ll may be our separated brethren, but it’s not like we hate you. We simply don’t believe it’s appropriate to ask you to join us at Communion.
My former Priest would always try to make me feel unwelcome, because I was not Catholic. I was so glad when he went to another church, a couple months ago, but I also felt sorry for any Protestants at that church. Having a Priest treat you that way is worse than being treated that way by members. However, my sister-in-law who is Catholic said she got stares from other Catholics, because she doesn’t take Communion. So, not everything you said is 100% true. Sometimes, I wish it was.

 

[Zirconia]

As for the earlier posts (especially around 1/1/07 and 1/5/07), I feel I must also add that it is most distressing that Communion is apparently becoming an opportunity for fellow Christians to snipe away at each other…

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One point I think Protestants might not realize: When Catholics go to Communion, the priest (or extraordinary minister of Holy Communion) says “The Body of Christ” and “The Blood of Christ;” the communicant responds “Amen,” signifying that s/he believes that the bread and wine have actually become the Body and Blood of our Lord. A Protestant going to Communion in a Catholic Mass would therefore be announcing to the world agreement with something s/he does not believe in. So there is a good and valid reason to ask Protestants not to take part in Communion at Mass.

Another point: look around at pretty much any Catholic Mass, and you’ll see plenty of Catholics not going up to Communion. This is because of any number of reasons: they failed to fast prior to Mass, they are not in the right frame of mind to receive our Lord (e.g., sitting there stewing about what happened at work today, etc.), they already received that day, they still haven’t taken their First Communion, etc. No one stares at them. So a Protestant should not feel singled out or rejected during a Catholic Communion. Ya’ll may be our separated brethren, but it’s not like we hate you. We simply don’t believe it’s appropriate to ask you to join us at Communion.

Hope this helps.

I feel I ought to clarify a few things here.

First, as I mentioned in the rest of my post, I can understand that there are valid reasons for not partaking if you are not prepared. I do not think it is an act of hate to keep people who, according to you, cannot possibly be prepared (ie, Protestants) from receiving. After all, doesn’t First Corinthians talk about how many bad things have happened to people who received without proper preparation? I would say that is an act of love, not hate (although for the most part one that is very difficult to see and/or understand…unless you are an unprepared Catholic).

On top of which, yes, you are right, publicly proclaiming union with something you think should be completely reformed and that you do not agree with (and that you publicly broke away from to reform and to announce your disagreement) is a rather difficult thing to sustain…

These are both excellent reasons not to partake.

But occasionally, the message that seems to come across instead of either of the above is that if you can’t partake (for whatever reasons), you are somehow a “defective” Christian, or else not even Christian at all. This is what seemed to be coming up in the posts I was referring to, and it is the idea that only “real” Christians can receive (or have a “right” to receive) is what looks like sniping to me, and what I find distressing.

Oh, and it shows up among Protestants as well…

Zirconia

PS If this seems completely off, please bear with a muddled Protestant doing her best to understand…

 

[Godfollower]

My former Priest would always try to make me feel unwelcome, because I was not Catholic. I was so glad when he went to another church, a couple months ago, but I also felt sorry for any Protestants at that church. Having a Priest treat you that way is worse than being treated that way by members. However, my sister-in-law who is Catholic said she got stares from other Catholics, because she doesn’t take Communion. So, not everything you said is 100% true. Sometimes, I wish it was.

I’m sorry to hear that. Priests are all too human, and they sometimes fall short of the mark. That goes for those of us in the pews, too. For everything you’ve been subjected to by Catholics, I am sorry.

You’re right about making assumptions; I had assumed that you didn’t believe in the Real Presence. I guess I’m so used to hearing it attacked that I tend to assume Protestants don’t accept it. I hope you’ll forgive my surprise, though; in my experience, at least, Protestants who accept the Real Presence are a rarity.

I guess all I can say is that our reluctance to ask our Protestant brothers and sisters (and you are our brothers and sisters – you are not inferior Christians, even if we (improperly) make you feel that way) to join us at table is based on a combination of the facts that (A) most non-Catholics deny the Real Presence; (B) Communion (the one occurring during a Catholic Mass) is a Catholic Sacrament and therefore should be participated in only by Catholics; and (C) inviting non-Catholics to partake would be a sign of a unity that isn’t yet there.

Zirconia:

But occasionally, the message that seems to come across instead of either of the above is that if you can’t partake (for whatever reasons), you are somehow a “defective” Christian, or else not even Christian at all. This is what seemed to be coming up in the posts I was referring to, and it is the idea that only “real” Christians can receive (or have a “right” to receive) is what looks like sniping to me, and what I find distressing.

Zirconia, I’m sorry for the way it sometimes comes across. The truth is that none of us is worthy (that’s actually part of the Communion rite: we pray in unison, “Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word, and I shall be healed”). It really is simply a matter of (A) not putting Protestants in the position of publicly proclaiming Catholic dogma they don’t believe in; (B) asking that only those who have gone through the classes receive Communion (yes, there’s training involved); and (C) not “papering over” our differences for the sake of a false appearance of unity.

I don’t know if this analogy will help, but here goes: when I was in scouts, we used to learn and perform Native American traditional dances. They were a lot of fun to do. But at one point the word came down that some of them were off-limits, because they were religious dances of some of the tribes (e.g., the Hopi), and we shouldn’t be performing their religious dances. It wasn’t a matter of us being inferior people; it was a matter of not acting as if we were part of the group when we weren’t – especially on such a sensitive issue as a religious ceremony.

On a brighter note, I can report that, in my part of the country at least, the announcements / messages / notices to non-Catholics about Communion seem to have become both more prevalent and more polite over the last few years.

And you aren’t “off;” this is an easy topic to get muddled on.

 

[awantz]

You’re right about making assumptions; I had assumed that you didn’t believe in the Real Presence. I guess I’m so used to hearing it attacked that I tend to assume Protestants don’t accept it. I hope you’ll forgive my surprise, though; in my experience, at least, Protestants who accept the Real Presence are a rarity.

All is forgiven and forgotten.

I guess all I can say is that our reluctance to ask our Protestant brothers and sisters (and you are our brothers and sisters – you are not inferior Christians, even if we (improperly) make you feel that way) to join us at table is based on a combination of the facts that (A) most non-Catholics deny the Real Presence; (B) Communion (the one occurring during a Catholic Mass) is a Catholic Sacrament and therefore should be participated in only by Catholics; and (C) inviting non-Catholics to partake would be a sign of a unity that isn’t yet there.
Thank You

 

[palmas85]

Recently, I tried to join a Protestant forum and was denied the right to join and hold discussion in ‘OTHER CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS’ along with Protestant, non-Baptists simply because I’m Catholic.

I have read their 7-page thread about why Catholics can’t join and have read a lot of interesting things as to why we’re not allowed to join and the main reason seems to stem from the fact that at least one Protestant was converted to Catholicism as a result of a Catholic member having been allowed to join. But quite honestly, it looks like fear is the driving factor behind why Catholics aren’t allowed to join. Their forum agreement says NOTHING about being Catholic and not being allowed to post. So to me it’s religious intolerance to ban a Catholic for simply being a Catholic and no other reason. After all, we’re all Christians here, are we not?

My mom wonders why I’d want to post at a forum where they don’t care what I have to say, but to be quite honest … there are quite a few misconceptions constantly posted about us Catholics that could be cleared up in a civil manner of discussion. Not to mention, it’s not fair to call our popes “evil” and then not let us have the opportunity to rebut it.

They claim they’re not anti-Catholic, yet they say Catholicism is errored, have tried to warn people of the damnation that comes from it, that it is heartbreaknig to see the deceit that many have fallen into, and that it is better to try and persuade Catholics from following their false teaching rather than to have sympathy for them because they can’t post at their forum. One of the pastors there evn goes on to say that sympathy for Catholics is a biblical command and sympathy for Catholicism is biblical disobedience. But, quite honestly, where does it say that in the Bible? I don’t even read anything in my Bible that says sympathy for Protestants is a biblical command and sympathy for Protestantism is biblical disobedience. After all, look at how long ago the Bible was written prior to actual organized religion.

The really sad fact to all this is that Catholics are very tolerant and allow Protestants to register at their forums as so long as they respect the Catholic faith. So, why can’t Protestants be the same way? I thought being Christian meant being Christ-like and Christ wouldn’t what they’re doing.

For the record, I love being Catholic and am strong in my faith. So strong that I would NEVER leave the Church. I don’t see us as non-Christians or even mis-guided Christians for that matter. Why must fear and intolerance play such an important role as to why Protestants treat us the way they do? It’s really quite sad. Quite sad indeed.

Ah, someone noticed. Good. Maybe now we can start something. Lets make no mistake about it and admit a few facts.

Before I start I will state the inevitable replies I will get.
PALMAS 85 IS MEAN SPIRITED, UNCHARITABLE AND INDECENT so others won’t need to it has already been said.

The Protestant Churches were formed primarily out of hatred, thats right, raw vitrolic hatred of the Papacy and the Catholic Church. It formed their identity, fueled their arguments and formed them so to speak. The Church, its beliefs and doctrines, its institutions the Holy father, the Priesthood etc, were all hated and reviled.

That attitude has never really changed. Check out some Protestant Evangelization sites and you will see that many still believe that the Catholic Church is the Whore of babylon and the Pope the Anti Christ.

We want re-unification a lot more than the Protestants do, believe me. It is not something that they are concerned with in the least. All most of them want is to destroy the Catholic Church so that we can be saved. Of course, being Catholics we cannot be saved, so we have to convert. As to why they don’t normally want Catholics to dialogue with them, their arguments fall apart very quickly and easily once you get them to stop quoting memorized verses of scripture which they are very good at. Beyond that they normally have nothing of any substance to say, so they quite often refrain from discussions beyond the basic quotes and accusations they throw around.

Its very simple. They are saved, we are not. they live in light we live in darkness, they worship Jesus, we worship Mary and the Saints, they are right and we are wrong.

Very simple and as you said, very very sad.

 

[Jokerz]

Interesting thread…It reminds me of a lesson that an elderly black lady told me so many years ago “If we can’t all get along here on earth, then how will we get along in Heaven?” words of wisdom.

Peace,
Jokerz

 

[hoosierdaddy]

P85>>

The Protestant Churches were formed primarily out of hatred, thats right, raw vitrolic hatred of the Papacy and the Catholic Church. It formed their identity, fueled their arguments and formed them so to speak. The Church, its beliefs and doctrines, its institutions the Holy father, the Priesthood etc, were all hated and reviled.

I disagree. They were formed out of love for God and for truth and for the Gospel. How can you accuse us of hatred yet deny that you hate us?

That attitude has never really changed. Check out some Protestant Evangelization sites and you will see that many still believe that the Catholic Church is the Whore of babylon and the Pope the Anti Christ.

And what do Catholics believe about Protestants? That’s all I need to say here…

We want re-unification a lot more than the Protestants do, believe me. It is not something that they are concerned with in the least. All most of them want is to destroy the Catholic Church so that we can be saved. Of course, being Catholics we cannot be saved, so we have to convert. As to why they don’t normally want Catholics to dialogue with them, their arguments fall apart very quickly and easily once you get them to stop quoting memorized verses of scripture which they are very good at. Beyond that they normally have nothing of any substance to say, so they quite often refrain from discussions beyond the basic quotes and accusations they throw around.

You want re-unification at the expense of truth. Until you accept the doctrines the Reformation brought BACK into light, we cannot agree. We can be charitable, but we aren’t united. Besides, you guys are the ones who talk about us being out of unity with you. Your paragraph is offensive, wrong, and slanderous.

Its very simple. They are saved, we are not. they live in light we live in darkness, they worship Jesus, we worship Mary and the Saints, they are right and we are wrong.

(Edited by Moderator) I don’t know one Protestant who denies that all Catholics are saved. We just believe your Church teaches errors, hence the need for the Reformation. Uh…don’t you guys believe that you are right and we are wrong?

Very simple and as you said, very very sad.

Yes, it is very sad. Again, there was a reason for the Reformation…

 

[Godfollower]

Oh, yeah! Back to the OP’s question!

No offense, Palmas 85, but it seems to me you’re painting with a very broad brush. I believe that most Protestants are well-meaning, good-intentioned folks, many of whom simply have some gross misconceptions about the Catholic Church.

To look at it in reverse: when I was in college, I used to get pamphlets shoved under my dormroom door by the local Baptist evangelization student group. They were the same size as the Campus Crusade for Christ pamphlets (but they weren’t a CCC publication), and they sounded at least as bad as the Chick tracts: “The Pope is the antichrist,” “Catholics are doomed to hell,” and (my personal favorite) “Not even Jesus can save a Catholic.” That was my only impression of Baptists for many years, and you can imagine what I thought of that particular denomination.

Then I actually got to know some Baptists, some on a very personal level. I learned that they aren’t all that way; what I was hearing was a very vocal minority. And I think the same goes for what we read on the web about Catholics from a Protestant perspective: only the ones with strong opinions bother to say anything, so of course we don’t like what we hear.

As for CatholicGal1977’s question, I agree that it’s intolerant to ban Catholics from an otherwise non-denominational Christian website, but I think it’s self-defeating. Imagine being the webmaster who has to put up a notice to the effect of “We’re banning Catholics from this forum because, if Catholics get to tell their story, all the Protestants will convert to Catholicism.” That’s a bitter pill for a Protestant to swallow, either writing it or reading it. And, sooner or later, the truth will come to them.

I, too, wish that you could clear up the misconceptions they have about us. But that particular site’s policy is a direct example of those who have ears refusing to hear. And there’s no point in trying to talk to someone who doesn’t care to listen. All you can do is make your point elsewhere and trust the Holy Spirit to move the heart of each of those persons when the time is right.

But bless you for trying.

 

[Zirconia]

I’m sorry to hear that. Priests are all too human, and they sometimes fall short of the mark. That goes for those of us in the pews, too. For everything you’ve been subjected to by Catholics, I am sorry.

You’re right about making assumptions; I had assumed that you didn’t believe in the Real Presence. I guess I’m so used to hearing it attacked that I tend to assume Protestants don’t accept it. I hope you’ll forgive my surprise, though; in my experience, at least, Protestants who accept the Real Presence are a rarity.

I guess all I can say is that our reluctance to ask our Protestant brothers and sisters (and you are our brothers and sisters – you are not inferior Christians, even if we (improperly) make you feel that way) to join us at table is based on a combination of the facts that (A) most non-Catholics deny the Real Presence; (B) Communion (the one occurring during a Catholic Mass) is a Catholic Sacrament and therefore should be participated in only by Catholics; and (C) inviting non-Catholics to partake would be a sign of a unity that isn’t yet there.

Zirconia, I’m sorry for the way it sometimes comes across. The truth is that none of us is worthy (that’s actually part of the Communion rite: we pray in unison, “Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word, and I shall be healed”). It really is simply a matter of (A) not putting Protestants in the position of publicly proclaiming Catholic dogma they don’t believe in; (B) asking that only those who have gone through the classes receive Communion (yes, there’s training involved); and (C) not “papering over” our differences for the sake of a false appearance of unity.

I don’t know if this analogy will help, but here goes: when I was in scouts, we used to learn and perform Native American traditional dances. They were a lot of fun to do. But at one point the word came down that some of them were off-limits, because they were religious dances of some of the tribes (e.g., the Hopi), and we shouldn’t be performing their religious dances. It wasn’t a matter of us being inferior people; it was a matter of not acting as if we were part of the group when we weren’t – especially on such a sensitive issue as a religious ceremony.

On a brighter note, I can report that, in my part of the country at least, the announcements / messages / notices to non-Catholics about Communion seem to have become both more prevalent and more polite over the last few years.

And you aren’t “off;” this is an easy topic to get muddled on.

Thanks, I think I do understand better now.

And it seems to me that we both agree that A) Due to unfortunate divisions, we cannot share; B) that it has nothing to do with bearing Protestants a grudge; and C) that in spite of our differences there is no such thing as an “inferior” Christian.

Wait…the above seems to indicate that Catholics and Protestants actually CAN agree on something!

Zirconia

 

[Godfollower]

Wait…the above seems to indicate that Catholics and Protestants actually CAN agree on something!

Zirconia

Heaven forb…

No, wait…

I mean, “Yay!”

 

[CatholicGal1977]

You do know this is one of the reasons why Martin Luther wanted to get rid of the book of revelation… It clearly supports the catholic doctrines, including prayers to the saints which they will present to god, purgatory(Nothing unclean shall enter heaven)and the Catholic Canon of the bible(It references Deutocanon doctrine, of the seven angels presenting prayers to god, found in Tobit 12:15)…

This book never sat right with protestants, yet they still accept it as canon despite the fact it clearly confirms the catholic canon. They seem to conveniently overlook the fact that John used the Greek Septuagint as his old testament.

You know, I don’t think that the book of James sits right with most Protestants either. I know Martin Luther wanted to get rid of Revelation and he also wanted to do away with the book of James too, however, others put up a fight and were able to keep the books in.

 

[CatholicGal1977]

I am Protestant…

Are you? Your profile sattes non-denominational which means that you don’t identify with any one Christian denomination. When I talk about Protestants I mean Baptists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, Episcopals, Pentecostals, and others who came about as a result of the Protestant Reformation initiated by Martin Luther and John Calvin. Like I said, non-denominationals haven’t formally aligned themselves with an established denomination and, as a result, simply see themselevs as “Christians” which is why they’re not Protestant to me.