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Since the priest that christened an ex-girlfriend said that she could neither be confirmed, nor go through RIAA. (I’ve seen both her Christening Certificate, and the letter the Bishop wrote sustaining the Priest’s refusal to either confirm her, or allow her to go through RIAA. )What makes you think that “foundlings” can’t become Catholic?
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There is something missing in this story. I know of no reason the Church would refuse someone a sacrament. There are times that it may be delayed until a matter is resolved, or there may be an impediment, but I know of no reason to deny someone RCIA or Confirmation. What was the basis of the denial? If you would like, for personal reasons, feel free to send it to me privately.
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ralphinal;:
If you meant apartheid, rather than the KKK, then Philemon tends to argue against the theology that supports Apartheid. (The theological justification for Apartheid was initially worked out by the Roman Catholic Church.)(As an aside, I’ll point out that for all of the evils of Apartheid, the most oppressive group were the liberal English speaking whites — the group that did not cite the Bible as its justification of its policies.)
As far as homosexual unions go, there is documented evidence that they have been performed by that extremely uninfluential, and insignificant priest: the Bishop of Rome.
There is no difference between a statement being proclaimed by one person, or ten billion people. The proclamation won’t make it an objective fact.
What one can do, is start with axioms, and apply methods of logic to them.
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One learns about the Sacraments and how to utilize them from studying the Bible.
The KKK pretty clearly violated both Old Testament and New Testament commandments.
If you meant apartheid, rather than the KKK, then Philemon tends to argue against the theology that supports Apartheid. (The theological justification for Apartheid was initially worked out by the Roman Catholic Church.)(As an aside, I’ll point out that for all of the evils of Apartheid, the most oppressive group were the liberal English speaking whites — the group that did not cite the Bible as its justification of its policies.)
As far as homosexual unions go, there is documented evidence that they have been performed by that extremely uninfluential, and insignificant priest: the Bishop of Rome.
And as I wrote earlier. The only way one can ascertain the objective truth in spiritual matters is after the fact. Prior to that there is nothing but subjective truth.
There is no difference between a statement being proclaimed by one person, or ten billion people. The proclamation won’t make it an objective fact.
What one can do, is start with axioms, and apply methods of logic to them.
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Say what now?
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ralphinal;:
The other case I know of, was of a male who was of illegitimate birth.
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If there was no paper trail, I’d agree that something must be missing. However, there is a documented paper trail that supports her story.
The sole basis for the denial was the fact that she was a foundling.
The other case I know of, was of a male who was of illegitimate birth.
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This is a new one on me, and I teach a Confirmation Class. I’ll do some research.
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whatisthetruth
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to answer your concern ralpinal,
ralphinal;
and God did give us gear to wear…the armour of God.
Just curious as to when the last time you were encouraged to wear the armour of God.?
Thank you Jdblake
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I agree with jd below.
and God did give us gear to wear…the armour of God.
Just curious as to when the last time you were encouraged to wear the armour of God.?
Thank you Jdblake
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JMMK
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Why would Jesus tell his apostles to go out and teach then? Why not tell them go go write this down and distribute the books and let people decide for themselves?
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ralphinal
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And as I asked before, if there is One God, One Holy Spirit to guide us, one Scripture, why not One Chruch? Why are there so many with divergent doctrine? How can I tell what is right? Gamble and hope for the best?
As far as the Armour of God goes, we talked about that last week in a young adults group that I am in. Studying Paul’s writings. Oh, by the way, what did Jesus give us as a guide? What spiritual tools to Christ himself leave us?
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whatisthetruth
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If so, then you ought to cite it, or else quit repeating this slander.
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jmcrae
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The Church that has St. Peter for its Chief Shepherd. (Often referred to today as the Roman Catholic Church.)
The Sacraments!!
(Do I get a gold sticker, Teacher?
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jmcrae
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I was involved with RCIA for several years, and I’ve never heard of it, either.
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We do not have to be anything but biblical. If we follow the Bible and the Bible alone we will know how to live a life pleasing to God and how to be saved.
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A couple of them… To me it is logic. Why would Jesus not give us more than a collection of teachings that can be interpreted a million ways? He gave us teachers and spiritual tools as well as the book. Paul tells us there are three enemies of the soul: the world, the flesh, and the Devil. Christ have given us ways to deal with each as we deal with each other.The Church that has St. Peter for its Chief Shepherd. (Often referred to today as the Roman Catholic Church.)
The Sacraments!!
(Do I get a gold sticker, Teacher?
Let us look at Moses and the trek through the wilderness. The Children of Isreal had guides who tried to teach them, provisions provided by God, and they had God’s promises to rely on.
Why would our spiritual journey though our lives not include guides, food, and Scriptures as well?
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JMMK;:
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jonathon
In the only epistle that is attributed to Jesus, He states that He will send someone in his stead, at a later point in time. It implies that others have written his message, but His Message is not yet complete.
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jmcrae;:
Jacques Goar includes several such ceremonies in his prayer books. (Died 1658)
Office of Same Sex Union is a 10th century Orthodox Rite.
Order for Uniting Two men is a 12th century Catholic Rite.
Order for Solemnisation of Same Sex Union is a 13th Orthodox Rite.
Office of the Same Sex Union is 14th Century Serbian Catholic Rite.
Gerald of Wales records several such ceremonies taking place in Ireland, in his chronicles.(Early 13th century)
There are also the drawing of the wedding of Emperor Basil 1 and John A priest is depicted as performing the ceremony. (late 9th century)
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In 1578, 13 such couples were married by the Bishop of Rome at St John Lateran.
Jacques Goar includes several such ceremonies in his prayer books. (Died 1658)
Office of Same Sex Union is a 10th century Orthodox Rite.
Order for Uniting Two men is a 12th century Catholic Rite.
Order for Solemnisation of Same Sex Union is a 13th Orthodox Rite.
Office of the Same Sex Union is 14th Century Serbian Catholic Rite.
Gerald of Wales records several such ceremonies taking place in Ireland, in his chronicles.(Early 13th century)
There are also the drawing of the wedding of Emperor Basil 1 and John A priest is depicted as performing the ceremony. (late 9th century)
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The ones you added were not approved of by the Roman Catholic Church and mainly the Protestant of Orthrodox. The Bishop of the Roman Catholic Church for the time you mentioned as the Bishop of Rome was in France at the time.
Even if a Priest,Bishop, Pope were to complete such a union it would not be a marriage as you even stated unions not marriages.
2nd a man may make an err or sin as a priest to a pope but the Catholic Church is infoulable and as such will correct and recorrect any areas not coming from the Church founded by Christ.
Even if a Priest,Bishop, Pope were to complete such a union it would not be a marriage as you even stated unions not marriages.
2nd a man may make an err or sin as a priest to a pope but the Catholic Church is infoulable and as such will correct and recorrect any areas not coming from the Church founded by Christ.
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c659smith;:
Jaques Goar: Dominican Priest. Appointed vicar provincial in 1652. Specialized in the study of Orthodox Rituals, so that they may be harmonized with Catholic rituals.
Serbian Catholic: This was a state church under the Bishop of Rome.
12th Century Catholic Rite: Maybe you can explain how this gets to be either an Orthodox or Protestant rite.
10th Century Orthodox Rite: This was during the debates prior to the Great Schism.
13th Century Orthodox Rite: This one can be called Orthodox Christian.
Gerald of Wales: Around 1200 AD he argued why he should be Bishop of St David’s with the Pope as judge. Opposing him was the Archbishop of Canterbury who had opposed both his first and second elevations to Bishop of St David, on political grounds. (The Archbishop considered an honest Bishop would reflect badly on the Church.) You might be able to argue he was Welsh Catholic, because it was a quasi-state Church.
Basil 1’s wedding was well before the Great Schism. If you want to deny that he was Catholic, then what was he?
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jonathon
1578: That is the first time I’ve seen somebody describe the Bishop of Rome as a Protestant!
Jaques Goar: Dominican Priest. Appointed vicar provincial in 1652. Specialized in the study of Orthodox Rituals, so that they may be harmonized with Catholic rituals.
Serbian Catholic: This was a state church under the Bishop of Rome.
12th Century Catholic Rite: Maybe you can explain how this gets to be either an Orthodox or Protestant rite.
10th Century Orthodox Rite: This was during the debates prior to the Great Schism.
13th Century Orthodox Rite: This one can be called Orthodox Christian.
Gerald of Wales: Around 1200 AD he argued why he should be Bishop of St David’s with the Pope as judge. Opposing him was the Archbishop of Canterbury who had opposed both his first and second elevations to Bishop of St David, on political grounds. (The Archbishop considered an honest Bishop would reflect badly on the Church.) You might be able to argue he was Welsh Catholic, because it was a quasi-state Church.
Basil 1’s wedding was well before the Great Schism. If you want to deny that he was Catholic, then what was he?
There is no substantial difference between the form and celebration of those rituals, and the marriage rituals from the same point in time.
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