Just Curious:Catholic Church & The Bible

[Hiskid1973]

I am wondering as I see in threads that the Catholic church church put the bible together. Do people mean catholic as universal with all the sees together or the Roman catholic church we know today and those just united with it ? Thanks…God bless…

 

[1ke]

They mean the Catholic Church, the visible one with the Bishop of Rome as its head.

 

[Hiskid1973]

They mean the Catholic Church, the visible one with the Bishop of Rome as its head.

So the Orthodox church and the sees that were apart of it before the schism had no part of assembling the scriptures ?

 

[Tantum_ergo]

So the Orthodox church and the sees that were apart of it before the schism had no part of assembling the scriptures ?

The Orthodox Church was part of the Catholic Church back at the time of the canon. They ‘left’ (so to speak, and also if you check history carefully you’ll see that the schism was ‘healed’ at least 4 times in the last 1000 years, if only temporarily).

Pretend that you had a group in your town called ‘The Helpers" that started in, say, 1920. In 1960, part of the group decided that they would continue doing pretty much all that "the Helpers’ did, but they wanted to stress one particular aspect, change another couple, and call themselves, “The Caring.”

NOW pretend that back in 1931 the Helpers did a particular statement or action.

Certainly the current members of the Helpers can trace back to that 1931 action as part of their heritage.

So ALSO can The Caring trace it back for it took place when “the Caring” were still full members of “the Helpers”.

Now do you understand how “the Orthodox” and ‘The Catholic Church’ were the ‘same’ back in AD 380 and thus can BOTH trace events that took place then as part of their COMMON heritage?

 

[Hiskid1973]

I believe that but from some comments I read in this forum some seem to deny that…

 

[1ke]

So the Orthodox church and the sees that were apart of it before the schism had no part of assembling the scriptures ?

The Orthodox Churches did not exist. The bishops of the East were in communion with Rome.

Moreover, the Orthodox Churches have their own canons of Scripture.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

The Orthodox Churches did not exist. The bishops of the East were in communion with Rome.

Moreover, the Orthodox Churches have their own canons of Scripture.

But the ‘ancestors’ of the Orthodox, as it were, would have been part of the Church.

IOW, Orthodox and Catholics share the same heritage up to the point of the schism. From there, one group had a ‘name change’ and some doctrinal changes but enough remains that Orthodox are considered part of the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church even more so than a Protestant Christian Church being ‘part’ of the Catholic Church through the heritage of their ‘ancestors’ who originally were part of the Catholic Church before leaving to start their Protestant churches.

 

[Hiskid1973]

But the ‘ancestors’ of the Orthodox, as it were, would have been part of the Church.

IOW, Orthodox and Catholics share the same heritage up to the point of the schism. From there, one group had a ‘name change’ and some doctrinal changes but enough remains that Orthodox are considered part of the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church even more so than a Protestant Christian Church being ‘part’ of the Catholic Church through the heritage of their ‘ancestors’ who originally were part of the Catholic Church before leaving to start their Protestant churches.

Thank you…

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Thank you…

Remember, it’s a question of degree. The Orthodox are ‘closer’ to us than the Lutheran who are ‘closer’ to us than the Baptist (doctrinally) who are ‘closer’ to us than the non Denominational etc. . .

But all Christian.

 

[Hiskid1973]

Remember, it’s a question of degree. The Orthodox are ‘closer’ to us than the Lutheran who are ‘closer’ to us than the Baptist (doctrinally) who are ‘closer’ to us than the non Denominational etc. . .

But all Christian.

Ok, I guess I don’t look at it like that…I see one as In Christ or not…There are hot,lukewarm and cold among us all…As for “But all Christian”, I’ve ran into some hardcore types here that would debate you on that…God bless…

 

[ComeHome2Rome]

I am wondering as I see in threads that the Catholic church church put the bible together. Do people mean catholic as universal with all the sees together or the Roman catholic church we know today and those just united with it ? Thanks…God bless…

The Catholic Church we know today. The same one from history established by Christ on St. Peter who established the chair of St. Peter in Rome, succeeding the chair of Moses previously held by the high priest of the Jews.

 

[Nicea325]

So basically…when we say “the Catholic Church” put the bible together…they are the “only” church that revolved around Jeshua that was around at that time when the bible chapters were written and/or collected and decided upon, right?

None of the other Christian offshoots or branches had developed yet?

Or did the Luther part already happen before the bible was edited, etc?

Not exactly. It is “the” church which included the Eastern Orthodox Church,which compiled the Bible to give us the Bible as we know it today.

 

[Hiskid1973]

Not exactly. It is “the” church which included the Eastern Orthodox Church,which compiled the Bible to give us the Bible as we know it today.

Now I can agree with that…The word catholic only started being used around the first century and beyond…Some seem to forget the rest of the sees involvement…

 

[Nicea325]

Now I can agree with that…The word catholic only started being used around the first century and beyond…Some seem to forget the rest of the sees involvement…

Well the Roman Catholic Church was part of the larger Catholic Church,which included both West and East. The “Roman” Catholic Church became more distinct during the Reformation,especially Anglicans who wanted to distinguish themselves from Rome.

 

[pablope]

So…did they actually have two different names at the time the bible was put together? Catholic and Orthodox?
And they both worked together?
Or both were known as “Catholic” at the time?

Or did they not even have a name at the time? Just known as Jewish followers of Jesus?

First, Christianity was known as “The Way”…in Acts 9… 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way,"

The term Christian was coined by the members of the Church at Antioch…this is also in Acts…but forgot the chapter and verse.

The term “Catholic” or universal was first heard of by a letter from Ignatius of Antioch…to refer to the Church…from then, it was called the Catholic Church…but his letter seems to indicate it had gained widespread use prior to his letter.

 

[PbloPicasso]

Well the Roman Catholic Church was part of the larger Catholic Church,which included both West and East. The “Roman” Catholic Church became more distinct during the Reformation,especially Anglicans who wanted to distinguish themselves from Rome.

I think you need to research what you’ve just said, brother. There was no Roman Catholic Church, it’s the Latin rite that is part of the larger Catholic Church or Church of Christ. The term “Roman” was created during the Reformation, particularly Great Britain, from my readings, as a slur, words of contempt towards the Holy See in Rome.

When I say Catholic, it includes all faultering, fallen away, misguided, separated, etc." All Christians are part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, whether they like it or not, because there is only one Church. The Orthodox are nothing more than Catholic and Catholics are Orthodox. All of this name calling and hate speech detracts from the real issues, that there is only one Church and everyone is connected to it, either close or distant. This distance is what we often call “fallen away”, Protestant, etc. We are all sinners and all need restoring. But the means of the restoration is held through the sacraments of the Church and those that separate themselves from the sacraments fail to see the bigger picture. But those of us who see the bigger picture, barely see it.

 

[PbloPicasso]

First, Christianity was known as “The Way”…in Acts 9… 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way,"
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The term Christian was coined by the members of the Church at Antioch…this is also in Acts…but forgot the chapter and verse.**

The term “Catholic” or universal was first heard of by a letter from Ignatius of Antioch…to refer to the Church…from then, it was called the Catholic Church…but his letter seems to indicate it had gained widespread use prior to his letter.

It only takes a second to find information like this. It’s worth the effort because many non-Catholics will assume we really don’t read the bible enough to know.

You’re looking for Acts 11:25 St. Ignatius of Antioch refers to the Church as Catholic as well in his writings to the Smyrnaeans. This was a significant bit of information that led me home to the Catholic Church. But of course it was only a small piece of the puzzle.

 

[Nicea325]

I think you need to research what you’ve just said, brother. There was no Roman Catholic Church, it’s the Latin rite that is part of the larger Catholic Church or Church of Christ. The term “Roman” was created during the Reformation, particularly Great Britain, from my readings, as a slur, words of contempt towards the Holy See in Rome.

When I say Catholic, it includes all faultering, fallen away, misguided, separated, etc." All Christians are part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, whether they like it or not, because there is only one Church. The Orthodox are nothing more than Catholic and Catholics are Orthodox. All of this name calling and hate speech detracts from the real issues, that there is only one Church and everyone is connected to it, either close or distant. This distance is what we often call “fallen away”, Protestant, etc. We are all sinners and all need restoring. But the means of the restoration is held through the sacraments of the Church and those that separate themselves from the sacraments fail to see the bigger picture. But those of us who see the bigger picture, barely see it.

That is what I stated and precisely my point. The Roman Catholic Church was not an entire seperate entity apart from the CC;morevoer, it belonged and was known as part of the Catholic Church.

 

[Nicea325]

So…did they actually have two different names at the time the bible was put together? Catholic and Orthodox?
And they both worked together?
Or both were known as “Catholic” at the time?

Or did they not even have a name at the time? Just known as Jewish followers of Jesus?

No they did not have separate names as today. Both belong to the Catholic (universal) Church Christ founded,which is also Orthodox in doctrine and belief. Yes it was known as the Catholic Church.

 

[Publisher]

But the ‘ancestors’ of the Orthodox, as it were, would have been part of the Church.

IOW, Orthodox and Catholics share the same heritage up to the point of the schism. From there, one group had a ‘name change’ and some doctrinal changes but enough remains that Orthodox are considered part of the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church even more so than a Protestant Christian Church being ‘part’ of the Catholic Church through the heritage of their ‘ancestors’ who originally were part of the Catholic Church before leaving to start their Protestant churches.

As I understand, while some Orthodox might hold such a view toward Catholicism…many if not most of the Orthodox and their communions do not embrace Catholic sacraments intercommunion yet? “Someone” is still cut off from the “True Church”…the Orthodox and Catholics do share a large portion of history together…but even then…east and west was drifiting apart and each of the “Christianities” that “version” had dominancet in the area was/had taken precedence…if one separated from the “True Church” as the Catholic west obviouolsly had…or the stubborn east not bow to Rome…These “Christianities” though similar…are profoundly different to the extent no 'intercommunion" is possible at the moment.