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turboEDvo
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I was discussing this yesterday with my gf and her mom, and none of us know if there is a such thing as non-alcoholic altar wine. Just curious…anyone know?
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kage_ar
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There is a low alchol wine called Mustum. There has to be permission from the local bishop to use this… I believe the fermentation process is suspended by freezing to keep the alcohol content low.
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Kay_Cee
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Well, there must be something because our local parish priest is an alcoholic, and he uses wine from a different bottle. My understanding is that he has a dispensation from the bishop.
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HagiaSophia
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From the CDF (1994)
I. Concerning permission to use ‘mustum’:
A. The preferred solution continues to be , or in concelebration under the species of bread alone.
B. Nevertheless, the permission to use can be granted by ordinaries to priests affected by alcoholism or other conditions which prevent the ingestion of even the smallest quantity of alcohol, after presentation of a medical certificate.
C. By is understood fresh juice from grapes or juice preserved by suspending its fermentation (by means of freezing or other methods which do not alter its nature).
D. In general, those who have received permission to use are prohibited from presiding at concelebrated Masses. There may be some exceptions however: in the case of a bishop or superior general; or, with prior approval of the ordinary, at the celebration of the anniversary of priestly ordination or other similar occasions. In these cases the one who presides is to communicate under both the species of bread and that of , while for the other concelebrants a chalice shall be provided in which normal wine is to be consecrated.
E. In the very rare instances of laypersons requesting this permission, recourse must be made to the Holy See.
I. Concerning permission to use ‘mustum’:
A. The preferred solution continues to be , or in concelebration under the species of bread alone.
B. Nevertheless, the permission to use can be granted by ordinaries to priests affected by alcoholism or other conditions which prevent the ingestion of even the smallest quantity of alcohol, after presentation of a medical certificate.
C. By is understood fresh juice from grapes or juice preserved by suspending its fermentation (by means of freezing or other methods which do not alter its nature).
D. In general, those who have received permission to use are prohibited from presiding at concelebrated Masses. There may be some exceptions however: in the case of a bishop or superior general; or, with prior approval of the ordinary, at the celebration of the anniversary of priestly ordination or other similar occasions. In these cases the one who presides is to communicate under both the species of bread and that of , while for the other concelebrants a chalice shall be provided in which normal wine is to be consecrated.
E. In the very rare instances of laypersons requesting this permission, recourse must be made to the Holy See.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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There is a situation I’m aware of where a pastor is the main (only) celebrant at liturgies and NEVER receives from the chalice. He did at one time use mustum but now refuses to use Mustum and says that he has a special dispensation from his Superior. I was concerned about not validity but the “completeness” of the sacrifice of the Mass celebrated by him and forwarded the information from the USCCB site on this subject to the diocese and asked for clarification. I never received any response and nothing has changed. So I must assume that there is also a dispensation available from all or any consumption of the Precious Blood by a single celebrant.
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nucatholic
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There is no such thing as non-alcoholic wine. Wine is alcoholic. Its an analytic truth. If it doesn’t have alcohol, its grape juice
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HagiaSophia
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Br. Rich SFO:
It might not hurt perhaps to drop a note to the dicastery in Rome simply inquiring and asking for clarification. I think it is a good question you’ve raised.
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HitF12
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I know there’s the “grape juice” version available here… I was offered it by my parish priest when I told him I’m not permitted to have the sacramental wine due to an allergy. He didn’t say nothing about needing special permission. I’m permitted to just take the host, and that’s all (no doctor’s note required).
Besides which, I as also iffy about drinking from the same vessel as everyone else, even if it is sacramental wine…
Besides which, I as also iffy about drinking from the same vessel as everyone else, even if it is sacramental wine…
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viktor_aleksndr
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I agree. Alcohol is needed in fermentation of wines. without alcohol the wine will not last very long.
The wine that is used in church may contain a very small amount of alcohol. That is why the consecrated wine is not to be taken by the people who have allergisc reaction to alcohol.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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It’s the Blood of Christ.
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