Just found out (Catholic) Church will not allow non-Christian to marry , but allow Gay Clergy ? I am shocked

[englands123]

I have nothing against gay people or non Christians.

Can someone please explain how one is allowed and the other is not.

For the argument can I use a Catholic Man and a Non-Religious female.

 

[aroosi]

Do you have a source for what you are saying in the title? I really don’t think this is the official teaching of the Catholic Church.

 

[Dolphin]

A Catholic can marry a non-Christian in a Catholic Church. My Catholic mom married my Jewish dad (who subsequently later converted).

Your question states two things that are 1) untrue and 2) unrelated.

As for priests with same-sex attraction, priests and deacons have to go through very rigorous mental and emotional tests to check and see if they are capable to be in this role (my father converted and became a Catholic deacon and went through this process).

The person must not be acting on their same-sex attraction just as a heterosexual priest candidate cannot be acting on their opposite-sex attraction. Sinners do become priests, it’s not a requirement to be perfect. Rather, you must conform your life to the Gospel.

Since you have been in numerous threads where people have mentioned non-Christian and Catholic marriages are okay, even a thread where I posted about my parents as an example, I am questioning your motives for making this question. Seems like you are intentionally stirring the pot.

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

Can someone please explain how one is allowed and the other is not.

Those who aren’t Christians can’t actually receive Sacraments. Marriage is Sacrament.

However, if one spouse is Christian and other is not, that Christian side receives Sacramental marriage if dispensed by Bishop, but Non-Christian side does not. It is an exception but usually allowed.

Of course sinners can receive Sacrament of Marriage. It is same with Priesthood. Non-Christians can’t be Priests and Non-Christians can’t marry Sacramentally (for them it won’t be a sacrament). However, homosexuals could theoretically marry provided they would somehow think it’s the right thing to do, fulfill their role in marriage and marry someone of opposite sex. Not sure why would they want to do that ofc.

 

[puer.dei]

Can someone please explain how one is allowed and the other is not.

Where on earth are you getting this false information?

 

[OddBird]

I think the OP referred to this other thread :

Responding to a friend who is racist, snobbish, and distorts Catholicism Catholic Living

Well marriage is supposed to bring us closer to Christ. It is a sacrament and isnt suited for Non-Christians. It is not discrimination, it is actually quite logical and shows love for Christ that we want to be supported in our faith and raise our children in it with our spouse. This is why marriage between Non-Christians needs dispensation- it is not the norm. Now this is not always so bad idea, which is why dispensations exist. But that does not make it the norm nor allowed under most circums…

 

[aroosi]

Not sure about that. S/he said forbidden (not in need of dispensation) and also mentioned gay clergy.

 

[Fauken]

Can someone please explain how one is allowed and the other is not.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...con_ccatheduc_doc_20051104_istruzione_en.html

"this Dicastery, in accord with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, believes it necessary to state clearly that the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question[9], cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called “gay culture”[10]. "

 

[1ke]

However, if one spouse is Christian and other is not, that Christian side receives Sacramental marriage if dispensed by Bishop, but Non-Christian side does not. It is an exception but usually allowed.

This is not accurate.

A baptized person who marries an unbaptized person is in a natural marriage. The marriage is a sacrament or it’s not. There is no such thing as one half of a marriage being a sacrament.

 

[goout]

The Church does not “allow gay clergy”.

 

[Vico]

I have nothing against gay people or non Christians.

Can someone please explain how one is allowed and the other is not.

For the argument can I use a Catholic Man and a Non-Religious female.

Dispensation is possible See CIC (Latin Canon Law):

Can. 1086 §1. A marriage between two persons, one of whom was baptized in the Catholic Church or received into it, and the other of whom is not baptized, is invalid.

§2. A person is not to be dispensed from this impediment unless the conditions mentioned in cann. 1125 and 1126 have been fulfilled.

§3. If at the time the marriage was contracted one party was commonly held to have been baptized or the baptism was doubtful, the validity of the marriage must be presumed according to the norm of can. 1060 until it is proven with certainty that one party was baptized but the other was not.

Fauken already posted the link to the Vatican resource on clergy.

 

[1ke]

Your title is not accurate. You’ve mistaken what was said on the other thread.

A). Non-Christians can certainly marry other non-Christians and Christian non-Catholics. The Church has nothing to say about that, and does not prohibit such marriages. And recognizes those marriages fully were one of the parties to enter the Church. So to say the church doesn’t allow non-Christians to marry is simply false.

B). The Church does not allow Catholics to marry non-Christians without a dispensation from the bishop, when certain assurances are met.

C). What are you even taking about regarding the church allowing “gay clergy”? The documents on formation and entry into seminary are pretty extensive and clear on that matter.

 

[Phemie]

Those who aren’t Christians can’t actually receive Sacraments. Marriage is Sacrament.

However, if one spouse is Christian and other is not, that Christian side receives Sacramental marriage if dispensed by Bishop, but Non-Christian side does not. It is an exception but usually allowed.

No, I’m sorry, that’s wrong; the sacrament is not divisible. Marriage is only a sacrament when it involves a baptized man and a baptized woman. If one of the parties is not baptized the marriage is “natural” for both, not natural for one and sacramental for the other.

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

A baptized person who marries an unbaptized person is in a natural marriage. The marriage is a sacrament or it’s not. There is no such thing as one half of a marriage being a sacrament.

Yesterday I had conversation about this with Priest and this was his stance. I understand that he may be wrong, but since his brother works at granting annulments and solving things about marriage for Bishop, I’m not too inclined to believe that.

Though what you said was initially my position too. It makes sense.

 

[englands123]

OrbisNonSufficit:

However, if one spouse is Christian and other is not, that Christian side receives Sacramental marriage if dispensed by Bishop, but Non-Christian side does not. It is an exception but usually allowed.

This is not accurate.

A baptized person who marries an unbaptized person is in a natural marriage. The marriage is a sacrament or it’s not. There is no such thing as one half of a marriage being a sacrament.

1ke is correct I have looked in to . The non-Christian would need permission from the Bishop/Church.

Regarding Gay Priests. The 1961 document entitled Careful Selection and Training of Candidates for the States of Perfection and Sacred Orders stated that homosexual men should not be ordained. However, this was left to bishops to enforce and most did not, holding homosexuals to the same standards of celibate chastity as heterosexual seminarians.

Now there are Gay Priests but a non-Christian cannot marry a Catholic in a Catholic Church without permission. Which I never knew until yesterday and I think there are many people who may ask why is one allowed and the other not ?

 

[kapp19]

I understand that he may be wrong, but since his brother works at granting annulments and solving things about marriage for Bishop, I’m not too inclined to believe that.

Then maybe you misunderstood him. This is a pretty “101” kind of issue. (And, as we saw in a recent thread, even judicial vicars can get “101” stuff wrong.)

 

[kapp19]

The issue hinges on what you mean by “allow.”

In one sense, men with homosexual inclinations are not allowed to be ordained. In another sense, they are. Never is validity an issue here.

In one sense, a non-Christian is not allowed to marry a Catholic. In another sense, he or she is. Validity is an issue here.

 

[anon91549587]

perhaps this gay priest could truly and possibly lead a chaste life by crucifying his flesh to the cross in imitation to Christ , more so than a heterosexual man who is constantly fantasying about the opposite gender and not cooperating with God’s grace. In fact greater the reward to the gay priest who has kept his baptismal robe pure til his death and not giving into the flesh. This would be his “martyrdom”.

Well the Bishop has to make a right judgement in marrying a couple. What if he saw that the non catholic spouse was open to abortions and dedicating their children to moloch? of course he wouldn’t marry them.

 

[englands123]

What I should say is ,

It’s now acceptable to be a Gay Catholic Priest.

But it’s still not acceptable for a non-Christian to marry a Catholic in a Catholic Church without permission. Which I find difficult to understand sorry.

 

[kapp19]

Your complaint is then with the bishop who chooses to ordain such men and prohibit such marriages. I have NEVER - EVER - heard of such a dispensation for a mixed marriage not being granted (in recent history), for what it’s worth… so, these days, it is essentially a dead letter. You apply for the dispensation and get it.

Thankfully, most dioceses (in the USA at least) are pushing back a bit on letting a certain kind of man into formation. But, despite what the positive headlines say, it remains a problem and will be the reality for a long time. Unfortunately.