Just found out my daughter is gifted, but her grades are average?

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I am completely shocked. My daughter went to a very reputable psychologist to do a psycho-educational assessment and we met with the psychologist last week.

His first comment to us was that we have a wonderful child and we’ve done a great job…blah blah blah…then he tells us to be prepared to be surprised.

“You’re daughter’s cognitive ability is in the 99.6 percentile.”

I was thinking oh that’s great! What does this mean???

He then tells us about her test results in detail and ends it with

“Your daughter is very gifted.”

My first question is, “Then why are her grades not reflecting that???”

He says that she probably learned to read via wrote memory instead of phonics, but she must have adjusted bc she is now reading way above her grade level. I was in complete shock b/c we tested her b/c I thought she had dyslexia b/c her ability to read had progressed very slowly.

He told us that her weakness is sequential reasoning…like, what day comes before Friday or if I have 110 books, how many piles of 10 can we make? So we need to help her with that.

Her handwriting also sucks and he told us it’s because her brain is a “Cadillac” and her hand is a “Pontiac”; hence a bottleneck affect of her thoughts and being able to put them down on paper. He said with practice, her hand will eventually catch up to her brain.

We are in shock…completely in shock!!! Now what??? Anyone with experience in this area???

I didn’t see this coming.
I’m in the same boat personally as being “very gifted”, I was tested when in 5th grade.

My grades were average during most of my schooling… Highschool I was 30th of 200ish in my class…😊

College I graduated Summa Cum Laude (3.9/4.0).😃

…and my handwriting sucks, in the sense that I write in cursive exclusively and nobody can read it. I used to get D’s in grade school on handwriting skills.🤷

I guess my point is, don’t worry about it. Your daughter’s grades might reflect it, but she will come to realize that she can understand things faster than others, perhaps also in ways that others do not conceive of. Frankly, while my grades weren’t exactly “top marks”, I never had to (and never did) study or take notes in class; in either middle school, high school, or college.:cool:

Any questions, shoot.👍
 
One little thinking point - remember that if your daughter is gifted, those are her gifts, not yours. You can guide and nurture, but don’t make her feel she has to perform to please you. I speak as one whose life was turned upside down when I was five from a “gifted” label being put on me and being taken out of kindergarten after a month and put in first grade. I also had ADD (though undiagnosed until I was in my 30s) and the problems like handwriting that others describe. I was a mess socially, frequently fearful and resentful, and felt like an oddball for being singled out. I tried not to stand out grade-wise, although I still did above average. In college I went 180 degrees in the opposite direction, and became a compulsive perfectionist. Then I burned out.

I realize that as a parent it’s hard to make some of the choices that will end up influencing your child’s future - you probably feel like “damned if you do or damned if you don’t” on many of them. But just reflect on the fact that the child is an individual, made unique by God. And let her know that she can be honest with you if she feels pressured. Hope all works out well. 🙂
 
I’m in the same boat personally as being “very gifted”, I was tested when in 5th grade.

My grades were average during most of my schooling… Highschool I was 30th of 200ish in my class…😊

College I graduated Summa Cum Laude (3.9/4.0).😃

…and my handwriting sucks, in the sense that I write in cursive exclusively and nobody can read it. I used to get D’s in grade school on handwriting skills.🤷

I guess my point is, don’t worry about it. Your daughter’s grades might reflect it, but she will come to realize that she can understand things faster than others, perhaps also in ways that others do not conceive of. Frankly, while my grades weren’t exactly “top marks”, I never had to (and never did) study or take notes in class; in either middle school, high school, or college.:cool:

Any questions, shoot.👍
My sister is like this. She has always been able to do her work quickly and at the last minute up to and including two graduate degrees. It’s a real gift 🙂 b/c she will say she’s got some big paper due and start a day or so before and get it done on time with good grades. She’s got talent in both humanities and science but is kind enough not to rub it in. 🙂

At this point she knows the amount of work her classes take and how long she can push it until she starts working. It’s good habits that accurately reflect she can get through work in a lot less time than many people, which comes from having a good memory.
 
It is not at all unusual for children identified as “gifted” through testing to have certain areas of weakness. Our younger daughter was a very good student, well-behaved and much liked by her teachers. (She had been a VERY naughty toddler and pre-schooler, but that changed as soon as she entered kindergarten.)

One thing that baffled us was the fact that all of her standardized tests were quite average - 50-60th percentile. We were used to the 99th percentile results of her older sister, and knew our younger girl was very bright: near-photographic memory, astonishing puzzle-solving skills, an IQ in the 135 range. However, reading required sheer force of will on her part, and reading for long periods resulted in headaches (despite her eagle-like eyesight.) Finally, in her junior year of high school, her guidance counselor asked if she had ever been tested for ADHD. She hadn’t, and no one had ever mentioned it. It turns out that her results were - quite literally - off the charts. We finally had answers as to the so-so standardized tests. Concentrating in the manner - and the length of time - required for taking those tests was nearly impossible for her.

At about the same time, she was diagnosed with clinical depression; her doctor said that she had been struggling for more than a decade with the challenges her undiagnosed ADHD presented, and finally hit a wall. She was treated for the depression, and that, combined with an understanding of why she had struggled so hard despite her IQ, made a world of difference.

In retrospect, I am amazed at what she achieved, despite the ADHD: National Honor Society, numerous awards and honors, scholarships. She never felt as smart as her older sister, based on those test scores, despite all those achievements. The diagnosis was a huge turning point for her.

She received a doctorate in audiology recently and begins a job as a clinical instructor at the local university shortly. 🙂
 
Isn’t the zero for no name a failure in terms of basic justice? The child did 99% of the work, and gets nothing for it. Next time, maybe they won’t do the 99% of the work that they did last time. That will show teacher! (And then, what is the teacher’s next move?) Also, little kids usually don’t understand the impact of numerical grades and don’t care at all. They do usually care about their relationship with their teachers, though.

It’s very easy to accidentally set a bright but difficult child up for an oppositional relationship with authority. (I was exactly that kind of child around 4th grade or so and my oldest, who is mildly autistic, is even more so.) It’s a very bad idea to meet a stubborn child head-on, as they can always out-stubborn you. That’s why the standard parenting advice always says, “pick your battles.” It’s easy with a difficult child (bright or not) to enter what I personally call the “spiral of doom” where small conflicts steadily escalate into domestic or academic Armageddon.

On the no name front, at my kids’ school, they started out by having offenders write their names 10 times and then later 50 times. I found that a bit harsh and non-educational (especially the 50 times), but I haven’t seen my 4th grader forgetting for a while. (He’s very conscientious and a bit of a stress muffin, rather than oppositional, so I always hated to see him getting the 50 times punishment–he wasn’t doing it on purpose.)
What happens when you turn in a tax return or a resume or an application with no name on it? You don’t get credit. Getting things done is only half of the job of getting credit for your success. The other half is letting other people know that you did it. If you care about getting the credit, you have to take care about that part.

The main thing with academic consequences, IMHO, is that the students have the “why” explained to them, preferably beforehand. When they fail, they don’t get out of the consequences. What they do get is help in strategies for not letting it happen again. If you fail at that kind of thing when left to your own natural devices, then you’ve learned something about yourself. Maybe you need a checklist to remind you–the habit of testing what you did against the grading rubric. Maybe you need a person to help you double-check. The main thing is that you go through school learning how to cope with the weaknesses that you have, especially those that are going to cause you set-backs in life if you don’t pick up the skills to work around them. If getting a zero on a few assignments teaches you that you need help to be on time or need an editor to help you make sure you have done a thorough job, better you learn it in school than to have life teach it to you the hard way. Life will do that, eventually.

Honestly, I think having your teachers identify your challenges and helping you find the strategies you will need to compensate for them yourself is as important as identifying your particular strengths. Education isn’t about pouring knowledge in, after all. It is also about gaining self-knowledge, so you can have the best chance of choosing strategies that will work to get you to your goals.
 
It is not at all unusual for children identified as “gifted” through testing to have certain areas of weakness. Our younger daughter was a very good student, well-behaved and much liked by her teachers. (She had been a VERY naughty toddler and pre-schooler, but that changed as soon as she entered kindergarten.)

One thing that baffled us was the fact that all of her standardized tests were quite average - 50-60th percentile. We were used to the 99th percentile results of her older sister, and knew our younger girl was very bright: near-photographic memory, astonishing puzzle-solving skills, an IQ in the 135 range. However, reading required sheer force of will on her part, and reading for long periods resulted in headaches (despite her eagle-like eyesight.) Finally, in her junior year of high school, her guidance counselor asked if she had ever been tested for ADHD. She hadn’t, and no one had ever mentioned it. It turns out that her results were - quite literally - off the charts. We finally had answers as to the so-so standardized tests. Concentrating in the manner - and the length of time - required for taking those tests was nearly impossible for her.

At about the same time, she was diagnosed with clinical depression; her doctor said that she had been struggling for more than a decade with the challenges her undiagnosed ADHD presented, and finally hit a wall. She was treated for the depression, and that, combined with an understanding of why she had struggled so hard despite her IQ, made a world of difference.

In retrospect, I am amazed at what she achieved, despite the ADHD: National Honor Society, numerous awards and honors, scholarships. She never felt as smart as her older sister, based on those test scores, despite all those achievements. The diagnosis was a huge turning point for her.

She received a doctorate in audiology recently and begins a job as a clinical instructor at the local university shortly. 🙂
Awww!
 
What happens when you turn in a tax return or a resume or an application with no name on it? You don’t get credit. Getting things done is only half of the job of getting credit for your success. The other half is letting other people know that you did it. If you care about getting the credit, you have to take care about that part.

**Does the child care about grades, though?

Many children are not motivated by grades at all.
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The main thing with academic consequences, IMHO, is that the students have the “why” explained to them, preferably beforehand.

Right. And with the name thing, I would want to know, why not teach the kids to write their names first before doing anything else.

If getting a zero on a few assignments teaches you that you need help to be on time or need an editor to help you make sure you have done a thorough job, better you learn it in school than to have life teach it to you the hard way. Life will do that, eventually.

**I don’t think that’s true.

Lots of people never learn from experience.**

Honestly, I think having your teachers identify your challenges and helping you find the strategies you will need to compensate for them yourself is as important as identifying your particular strengths. Education isn’t about pouring knowledge in, after all. It is also about gaining self-knowledge, so you can have the best chance of choosing strategies that will work to get you to your goals.
There is a substantial number of children whose primary goal is to “win” vis a vis adults, even if that means (from the adults’ point of view), losing in every other possible way.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder
 
Here is a follow-up on autistic children and defiant behavior.

everydaylife.globalpost.com/defiant-behavior-autistic-children-16989.html

“Defiance in an autistic child is virtually a given. Autistic children, lacking the social and communication skills that most people use to solve problems, often spontaneously respond negatively to small conflicts. Because of the difficulty of understanding the reasons for every action in which an autistic child engages, sometimes parents make the mistake of thinking their child is deliberately being defiant.”

“Autistic children tend to be on a lower level in terms of social skills. In interacting with an autistic child, you will often find him to be unresponsive to you and your actions. Autistic children are inflexible in their social interactions. Sometimes it seems as if their defiant behaviors are planned, but this is not always the case. For many parents, this can be a hard concept to grasp. In many cases, what a parent sees as defiance in her autistic child is actually a lack of social skills, an ignorance of the needs and wishes of the parent.”
 
I was identified as gifted in elementary school yet I was about two years behind in math skills. Your daughter will have strengths and weaknesses like everyone else. My grades were good in elementary school in every subject except math.

I distinctly remember developing a strong dislike for my 5th grade math teacher and deciding not to do the work. I realized my mistake in seventh grade when I was placed in a gifted math class which I failed.

I also failed a gifted English class even though my scores indicated I was reading at college level. The English course I failed was a grammar course. I never understood why I was expected to learn how to diagram a sentence when I was already making As on all of my papers. To this day I still cannot diagram a sentence to save my life and I write for a living.

I was mostly bored with my classes in junior high school. I ended up dropping out of school two months into my tenth grade year and I went to work full time. After a few years of dead end minimum wage jobs I was motivated to go to college. I graduated summa cum laude in 3.5 years even though I had to take three additional math classes to reach college level.
 
Here is a follow-up on autistic children and defiant behavior…
One of the key disadvantages of Autism is that it is not a visual disorder; you won’t be able to tell if someone is Autistic just by looking at them. This intensifies the negative effects from social misunderstandings. :sad_yes:

And now to get back on topic, Sarap is making a mistake in thinking that grades accurately reflect how gifted a child is.

In the end, practical intelligence determines one’s success in everyday life, and truth be told, school is not the best place to foster practical intelligence, especially if the teachers harbor a ‘Get good grades or else’ mindset. If you went to a schooling environment which encouraged such a mindset, forget everything you have learned in school and clear your head, then unlock your brain power and mediate on whatever topic is stimulating to you.

:coffeeread:
The average person only bothers to use 8% of God’s great gift: the brain. God does not want us to remain stupid, but the educational system is trying to defy common sense by installing rules and regulations on how someone may be considered as intelligent, while in reality, intelligence is a vast and morphing ocean. It is certainly not limited to a box.
 
One of the key disadvantages of Autism is that it is not a visual disorder; you won’t be able to tell if someone is Autistic just by looking at them. This intensifies the negative effects from social misunderstandings. :sad_yes:
I think that with some practice and experience, one can start identifying autistic people visually, but it’s certainly not obvious.
 
There is a substantial number of children whose primary goal is to “win” vis a vis adults, even if that means (from the adults’ point of view), losing in every other possible way.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder
It would be a fairly big mistake to run the school system as if some large fraction of the students suffered from oppositional defiant disorder.

My point is not that it is necessary for schools to give a zero on work that has no name on it. My point is that if this is what your child’s teacher does, the thing to do is to teach the child to gain something from it in terms of self-improvement. No one gets an unbroken line of teachers whose methods they agree with. The trick is to get the most you can from whoever you get, just as you’re going to have to do in life.

Grades do not matter in grade school in the US. What matters is what your child learns–does he or she gain the skills and knowledge that will come in handy later in school and later in life? Much of that will come from the attitudes you instill in your child.

For instance, I have sons who are very good at math. One of them, however, came home one day, tried his homework, and just could not do it. This had never happened to him. He was in tears.

I told him that although this felt awful, it happened to many of us and probably most of us at one time or another. I told him that he was actually fortunate to have gone through this at home instead of during an exam, because that is when it often happens. Then we went through the emotional coaching about what to do when this happens. That’s right–I let him know that this could happen again. It wasn’t the end of the world, and he didn’t need someone else to rescue him. It was something he could learn to cope with, and then he’d be ahead of the game. He learned that there are things you can do when you get an exam and you get stuck and start to panic. He felt more confident, not less. Before we were done, he got himself going again.

It would have been a mistake to make this out to be something that shouldn’t happen to him or shouldn’t bother him or something that says something about his intelligence. His education came from learning that he was not alone in having that awful sinking feeling. He learned that smart people who know the material can get that awful sinking feeling. He learned that having it didn’t mean he was awful. He learned weapons he could use against that awful sinking feeling. He learned he could even get unstuck by himself and do the work all on his own. That awful sinking feeling was awful, but he had met it on the battlefield, and he could beat it.

If your child comes home from grade school with a zero on his paper, the first thing to do is to acknowledge that this is a bummer. He worked hard, and he got no credit. Feeling sad is understandable and feeling angry is understandable. After that, though, it is time to decide how to assess the damage and decide on the course of action most profitable to the student. Coach them through identifying strategies–fantasizing about screaming at the teacher does not hurt during the brainstorming phase–and choosing the ones most likely to yield a good result. Maybe the child wants to go to the teacher and protest the rule. I’d say, go for it. Let’s role-play through that. Then I’d give the kid credit for being someone who self-advocates, whether or not the decision was overturned. If it went badly, well, coach to do it better next time. It is all about what you learn, not the grade–and most of the most profitable lessons aren’t in the official curriculum!

When you allow a child to not like a teacher or to believe that a rule is stupid, you’re more on their side. We have told our children, “You don’t have to go to college, but you do have to get yourself ready for college. We’re going to force to give yourself that choice when the time comes. We want to make sure you have as many choices about what to do with your life as possible, when you finish school. Then what you do with those choices of yours, that will be up to you. We think you’ll like having lots of choices, though, even if it is just to tell everyone they can take their choices and jump in a lake with them. If all we do is to give you control of your life that you decide not to use, we’ll have done our job.” When it is put to you that way, there is a lot less to rebel against.

When our kids were in fifth grade, I think, I made this deal with them. You don’t always want to do your homework as soon as you get home. Fine. You don’t want me nagging you about it. Fine. Here’s the deal: If you get it in so that there are no complaints from your teachers about it and you are getting enough sleep most of the time, you can do your homework whenever you want to do it. If you don’t do that, though, then you have to do your homework when the time is good for me to supervise you. I don’t want to do that, because I don’t want to waste my time nagging. You don’t want that, because you want to do your homework when you want to do it. And so they’ve always done it. We’ve had to get them going on very big projects that are going to require our help–trips to the store for supplies and such–but that’s all. Their homework is under their control, and they like that. It makes them feel better about themselves, and they feel they’ve earned that control over their lives. I don’t nag because they took control of the situation, we’re all happier for it, and they get the credit for that.
 
I was identified as gifted in elementary school yet I was about two years behind in math skills. Your daughter will have strengths and weaknesses like everyone else. My grades were good in elementary school in every subject except math.

I distinctly remember developing a strong dislike for my 5th grade math teacher and deciding not to do the work. I realized my mistake in seventh grade when I was placed in a gifted math class which I failed.

I also failed a gifted English class even though my scores indicated I was reading at college level. The English course I failed was a grammar course. I never understood why I was expected to learn how to diagram a sentence when I was already making As on all of my papers. To this day I still cannot diagram a sentence to save my life and I write for a living.

I was mostly bored with my classes in junior high school. I ended up dropping out of school two months into my tenth grade year and I went to work full time. After a few years of dead end minimum wage jobs I was motivated to go to college. I graduated summa cum laude in 3.5 years even though I had to take three additional math classes to reach college level.
I think it is very important to teach students what grades are and what they are not.

Grades are feedback on whether you are meeting a rubric designed to reflect your understanding of the content of a course. Grades can be demonstration of accomplishment that is needed to gain merit-based opportunities. That’s about it. They do not make you smart or stupid or a success or a failure. They do not make you better than people who got worse grades or worse than people who got better grades. They do not prove that you were right or your teacher was right or any of that. They can be a necessary part of achieving certain goals. Choose those goals, and you’re probably going to have to get good grades with someone else’s content and someone else’s rubric. You may be able to get what you want by switching to a different “someone,” but eventually you have to cross that bridge.

The other thing that students need to know is that education is a lot more than grades. Education comes from the verb “educe,” which means “to draw out” a potential or something latent. The “drawing-out” process depends both on who is being educated and what their potential is. Your time spent at “unskilled” labor was part of your education. It drew some things out of you. There are many people who go through school and get great grades and yet have large gaps in their education. These are all things that students ought to be taught, especially those given the odd package labelled “gifted.”
 
It would be a fairly big mistake to run the school system as if some large fraction of the students suffered from oppositional defiant disorder.

**But it would be equally silly to run the school system as if no students were oppositional, autistic or had other special needs.
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If your child comes home from grade school with a zero on his paper, the first thing to do is to acknowledge that this is a bummer. He worked hard, and he got no credit. Feeling sad is understandable and feeling angry is understandable. After that, though, it is time to decide how to assess the damage and decide on the course of action most profitable to the student. Coach them through identifying strategies–fantasizing about screaming at the teacher does not hurt during the brainstorming phase–and choosing the ones most likely to yield a good result. Maybe the child wants to go to the teacher and protest the rule. I’d say, go for it. Let’s role-play through that. Then I’d give the kid credit for being someone who self-advocates, whether or not the decision was overturned. If it went badly, well, coach to do it better next time. It is all about what you learn, not the grade–and most of the most profitable lessons aren’t in the official curriculum!

**I would not try that with a first grader or probably even a second grader or third grader.

(And on reflection, I think my fourth grader would probably be cowed by that scenario.)

I don’t think it’s fair to expect a young elementary student to speak up to authority like that. It’s a reasonable goal for bigger kids, though.**
 
All this talk about not putting a name on a test paper is having me flash back to 6th grade (I guess 33 years ago!)

At the end of the school year we had final exams. I was a good student, very shy and a nervous Nelly.

I took my Language Arts exam. I studied hard for it. I must have overlooked putting my name on the test paper (If I did or didn’t, I don’t know we didn’t get them back,they went in our permanent “record”)

Sister the next day announced that, “Some people did not put their name on the exam, those people received a zero.” Then she read a list of 3 or 4 kids, including my name. Tears formed in my eyes.

It was a Friday afternoon. I was physically ill all weekend (vomiting, stomach pains, etc) because I feared failing on my report card.

She must have had a change of heart, because I didn’t get a zero on the exam.

The time it took her to announce my name as having received a zero, she could have called me up and asked which was my test.

Kids make mistakes and overlook things when they are nervous.
 
All this talk about not putting a name on a test paper is having me flash back to 6th grade (I guess 33 years ago!)

At the end of the school year we had final exams. I was a good student, very shy and a nervous Nelly.

I took my Language Arts exam. I studied hard for it. I must have overlooked putting my name on the test paper (If I did or didn’t, I don’t know we didn’t get them back,they went in our permanent “record”)

Sister the next day announced that, “Some people did not put their name on the exam, those people received a zero.” Then she read a list of 3 or 4 kids, including my name. Tears formed in my eyes.

It was a Friday afternoon. I was physically ill all weekend (vomiting, stomach pains, etc) because I feared failing on my report card.

She must have had a change of heart, because I didn’t get a zero on the exam.

The time it took her to announce my name as having received a zero, she could have called me up and asked which was my test.

Kids make mistakes and overlook things when they are nervous.
Gah!!!
 
Ever wonder what happens when every kid is held to that same standard of there is no standard? When it’s considered unreasonable to expect a kid to put their name on their paper? Or follow any other guidance like staying in their seat, or not talking when the teacher is, or not texting or placing calls during class?

My daughter just completed her teaching credential. (FWIW- she was classified as gifted and one of those who rarely had to read/study for subjects other than math) She’s had a passion for teaching since she was in high school and started mentoring/tutoring other kids. Got her degree in education, went through the credentialing program run by her university which is about 18 months and consists mostly of teaching in schools in the area, observed and critiqued by teachers and folks from her university. First year, she loved it- felt so rewarding to her, could see marked improvements in her students. Really exciting as a parent to hear her talk about how her challenged students improved, what strategies she applied etc. The school loved her and offered her a full time job with ‘emergency’ credential concurrently with completing her last 6 months of the program. University wouldn’t agree. So, my daughter spent her last 6 months in a charter school.

That charter school runs pretty much on the principal that any discipline or enforcement of guidelines stifles creativity and initiative in the kid. Prevents that ‘out of the box thinking’. She attempted to teach 8th grade. I say attempted, because really, in that kind of environment there’s not much teaching or learning going on in the classroom. Fun for the teacher when every assignment has half the kids names missing from the papers-- despite reminding the kids just prior to them handing them in. Which means she can’t really complete her grade book or enter grades into the mandatory computer system. Which means every assignment required taking either 10 minutes when handing them back or 10 minutes when collecting them of trying to sort out the half which didn’t have names. Of course, since it’s unreasonable to expect kids to be able to function at the level that they can put their name on the paper, it’s unreasonable to expect them to stay still- so they’re free to enter and leave the classroom. Sometimes because they’re bored/uninterested in the subject and expect them to learn to focus on something for 30 minutes that isn’t floating their boat right this second is unreasonable. Sometimes to meet a boyfriend or girlfriend somewhere else in the school… but I digress. Back to grading? Couldn’t really figure out why my daughter had to bother since, she was expected to apply ‘adjustments’ based on each kid vice grading to a standard. Did they have a diagnosed learning disability? Did she suspect an undiagnosed one? Were they an ESL student? What was their primary language? Did she think their home life was supportive of their academic effort? In that environment, the grade meant pretty much nothing-- although the marked up paper did provide exact feedback on -]mistakes/-] sorry, recommendations for approaches/wording/grammar more consistent with standard past usage they should consider. But spelling is pretty much optional and shouldn’t they be given full credit for using real world applied language skills (i.e. writing the same way as a text)?

I do have to admit she enjoyed thoroughly when the university observer was in her classroom one day and had to do an ‘urgent’ correction. That is, tell my daughter to stop a kid and discipline them for sending a text in the class. My daughter had to explain, to the observer’s shocked disbelief, the policy that, yes indeed, authorized students to text/use cell phones in class. As she went back to teaching, another kid looked right at the observer and made a call on their cell phone. According to policy, my daughter just asked the special little flower to step outside to complete it.

My daughter loathed teaching at that school. Trying to cater to every single kid’s desire to not be involved or bored in any particular lesson or activity meant the class was one long continuous series of disruptions or ‘adjustments’ to account for various individuals.
 
There could be any number of reasons. I do remember when I was in the 6th grade, making a decision that I wanted to get a particular grade (I could have gotten straight As) and answering exactly the right number of questions incorrectly to be able to get it. I remember that the reason was that kids in my class were getting beaten up for being “brainiacs,” and driving up the teachers’ expectations (after all, if too many people get "A"s, they assign more difficult work).
haha!
 
My sister was valedictorian of her class. When she was 16 y.o., she toured Europe with America’s Youth in Concert. She played at Carnegie Hall, was in “Who’s Who in Music”.
She was an alternate for the McDonald’s Band. She applied, and was accepted, to MIT. She just wanted to see if she could get it but went elsewhere.

She got a renewable scholarship in Electrical Engineering from Kodak.

In high school, she was bored in math class. So, on her own, she completed the entire book, told someone that, but the person didn´t believe her. Instead of testing her, she had to do that ENTIRE math book all over again!

The second time, she kept all her work to prove her case. Even with all that, she was STILL a full year ahead in math, was taking college math in high school.

Now, she told me that sometimes people are “bored” because something is too difficult. She said she was often also VERY bored, because it was too EASY!

I remembered that. Once, I taught at a home for children in Mexico, and one student was VERY gifted. I’d tell him something ONCE, and he’d remember.

The director of the home was complaining about him to me. I thought, “Are we talking about the same kid?! He’s my BEST student!” Anyway, she said she basically had to hit him to go to his English class.

I went to the teen, asked him what the problem was. He said, “I’m BORED! I already know that! Liz has taught me that. You have taught me. Father has taught me!”

So, I said I’d speak to the social worker at the home about his case, see if I could get him moved up a grade. I asked merely that he be tested, and proceed from there.

The home’s social worker spoke to the social worker at the school. They agreed to test him, and although I had only worked with him a short while, he tested TWO YEARS ahead!

However, they said if they moved him up 2 years, they didn´t know what they’d do with him afterwards. I spoke to the teen, and he said he’d be fine with being moved just one year ahead, then. We made the arrangements.

Later, I checked back on him, asked how he was doing. He was MUCH happier, and the director no longer had any problems with him.

However, boredom is often a problem. I know both with my sister AND that student that they were both gifted.

Sometimes, my sister would say how she couldn´t connect to others on her “level”. She said she always had to “come down to” their level.

With my sister, she was pretty much good at everything…sports, language, music. I didn´t really notice a weak point, unless it would be in her social skills.

I remember reading about Einstein, and some thought he was not right mentally. Turned out he was a GENIUS! So, she’s in good company!

A lot of genuises had difficulty with certain aspects of, say, language. Look at DaVinci. Didn´t they have to stick his writing in a mirror in order for others to be able to read it?
Einstein and DaVinci were both dyslexic geniuses!

Great post!
 
How olds your daughter?
What is her memory like,particularly episodic/autobiographical?
What are her skills like in the areas of Commerce?
Did the Psychologist give you a written breakdown of the areas that he tested and her scores for them?
Eg:executive function,abstract reasoning,semantic knowledge,visiospatial abilities etc…
Personally I wouldn’t worry too much if your daughter has poor handwriting-many doctors also do and they do alright.
She’s 7. We do not yet have her extensive written report. We are waiting another 3 weeks for it.

Yes, he gave us a breakdown. Her highest talent was vocabulary, reading and cognitive reasoning.

Funny about doctors having poor handwriting…too funny…
 
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