Just got to get something off my chest

[Beautiful]

We do need to be concerned. Christians are reproducing at an average rate of 1.7 while Muslims have an average of 8 kids. We are reducing population while they are gaining at an alarming increase. That is a big problem.

My concern is for the apathy for Catholic schools by the Church and the needs of parents with young school age children. Catholic schools continue to struggle and/or close while private education systems for Muslim children is bolstered by domestic and foreign interests.

 

[Beautiful]

My concern is for the apathy for Catholic schools by the Church and the needs of parents with young school age children. Catholic schools continue to struggle and/or close while private education systems for Muslim children is bolstered by domestic and foreign interests.

I say this as my heart breaks watching my grandchildren’s Catholic school struggle and survive on shoes string with a constant threat of closure.

Catholic families have little help from domestic interest and no foreign interest.

 

[phil19034]

I say this as my heart breaks watching my grandchildren’s Catholic school struggle and survive on shoes string with a constant threat of closure.

Catholic families have little help from domestic interest and no foreign interest.

But the problem with Catholic schools are complicated:

1. we originally built them with free labor from sisters but when the number of sisters diminished and/or they went on to do other things, we had to replace them with lay teachers.
2. lay teachers require pay, and then good lay teachers require competitive pay.
3. When the cost of Catholic school began to increase (due to paying lay teachers), more Catholics sent their kids to public school
4. Finally, until recently, many parents send their kids to Catholic school because they feel the academics are better than at the public school. Unfortunately, the parents were not selecting Catholic schools because they were prioritizing Catholic teachings.

In the Northeast especially, we built more Catholic schools than our currently environment can afford because we simply don’t have the free labor to continue teaching the schools. And the Catholic schools that receive the most funding, etc are the private ones (non parish or diocese) that are run by religious orders charging a fortune to attend because they have top notch academics. Again, not because of their Catholic identity.

 

[Beautiful]

But the problem with Catholic schools are complicated:

1. we originally built them with free labor from sisters but when the number of sisters diminished and/or they went on to do other things, we had to replace them with lay teachers.
2. lay teachers require pay, and then good lay teachers require competitive pay.
3. When the cost of Catholic school began to increase (due to paying lay teachers), more Catholics sent their kids to public school
4. Finally, until recently, many parents send their kids to Catholic school because they feel the academics are better than at the public school. Unfortunately, the parents were not selecting Catholic schools because they were prioritizing Catholic teachings.

In the Northeast especially, we built more Catholic schools than our currently environment can afford because we simply don’t have the free labor to continue teaching the schools. And the Catholic schools that receive the most funding, etc are the private ones (non parish or diocese) that are run by religious orders charging a fortune to attend because they have top notch academics. Again, not because of their Catholic identity.

complexities or not
There remains no current and true, consistent support of Catholic school education by domestic or foreign interest. This is unlike current trends in Muslim communities throughout the USA. As pointed out earlier by another member, Muslim birth rate far exceeds Catholic birth rate. Compound that with interest of domestic and foreign financial support to Muslim mosques and education.

A shift in Catholic school teachers and funding of Catholic school teaching should be surmountable in a body of people who care about the new life blood of the Church.

The Catholic Church is not keeping up in the US. It has lost ground in pitiful ways by failing to support marriage and young families in a dedicated and meaningful way.

Yes, Catholics should be alarmed and refocusing but all I sense is apathy with a little splash of fear.

 

[CEDRIK]

John,

I think what you’re saying is your friend sounds rather uncharitable and it hurts your heart.

How can we, as faithful Catholics, do what we are supposed to do, with compassion and understanding, without being xenophobic and hateful?

I live in the South and I get tired of the anti-Islamic sentiment and racial epithets. Whatever worries we express, I believe, should be done in love and with a modicum of understanding.

Hi DakiniArtist,

It’s actually very easy to do what needs to be done without being xenophobic and hateful.

All it takes is to realise that Islam is a religion,not a nationality or a race,and that Muslims are people who differ in their actual knowledge and understanding of Islam, as well as in their willingness to put in practice what it preaches.

Obviously,some people confuse religion with race or ethnicity.That’s the kind of people you’ll hear voice an “anti-Islamic sentiment” and “racial epithets” in the same breath.

While I stronly condemn the latter,to me there is nothing wrong with the former as long as it is based on actual knowledge,not on prejudice.

 

[Selah_KY]

All it takes is to realise that Islam is a religion,not a nationality or a race,and that Muslims are people who differ in their actual knowledge and understanding of Islam, as well as in their willingness to put in practice what it preaches.

Obviously,some people confuse religion with race or ethnicity.That’s the kind of people you’ll hear voice an “anti-Islamic sentiment” and “racial epithets” in the same breath.

While I strongly condemn the latter,to me there is nothing wrong with the former as long as it is based on actual knowledge,not on prejudice.

Thank you for saying what I couldn’t put into words.

 

[wadramli]

There’re characteristic of Islamic rule you should research . the type of government is joint rule of the sultan and the ulema (roughly Muslim clergy) with the Sultan being on top. If the ulema oppose the sultan he stops the funding . the funding comes form awqaf which are like trusts bequeathed by Muslims. The awqaf can be indefinite or for a period of time after which the property is returned to the heirs of the deceased . the awqaf played a significant part in terms of maintaining mosques and paying for salaries of presiding imam . now however with the huge transfer of wealth due to oil petro dollars are out there . still in all Muslim countries the situation remains the same . the ulema get appointed and their sermons stay away from attacking the regimes . what happened in Iran I think but I’m not sure is a novelty . the clergy got on top.

Australia just recently passed a law banning turkey form paying for imam salaries in Australia. I think such blatant violations of separation of state and church should be challenged everywhere in the west . This is going to be tough. Petro dollars are out there and can buy folks . even f you stop the practice the money can be channelled by proxy , by non profit org controlled by the regimes . no profit org in Muslims countries are all cronies of the regime or are funded by gulf States . you will need to build a case .

I don’t know what to tell you other than pay close attention and keep vigil . people who are good at following the trail of money can easily be bought if for anything its because it takes money to follow the trail of money . and when you do find stuff you might be exposing yourself to risks . the west is democratic and everything but hey lets be reasonable . you need to organize .use your head. Be smart . you need to have a heart . this should be carried out by older folks who lived their life already . I hear peculiar stuff in the west . tea party people were prevented from forming npos by the powers that be . but you’re going to need money to expose stuff . I expect petro dollars are all over the place . you do something to stop the dough from rolling you could be getting yourself into heap of trouble . not trying to scare you . remember the catholic church is your protection . his holiness said go out there .

keep minutes . never ever discard any notes , papers whatnot ,never ,not even an insignificant grocery receipt . keep records of everything . dates . keep a diary

rumbling for jesus sake is awesome . ask me I know. I used to work for Satan on and off . great employer I tell you . pays so well. Fortune and fame is his to give , but love belongs to the mighty jesus .

One major problem with islam considerable number of Muslims have become literate and are able to read and understand the material. The ulema are no longer able to control them , when to hold them and when to unleash them. The spread of literacy favors the ulema who propound a truthful interpretation of islam . they are credible and acceptable to their literate audience . ulema who are referred to in the west as radicals are actually those who are sticking to the teachings . they are actually being honest about their religion. To ask them to be otherwise is liking telling them to betray their religion. You’re making things worse and emboldening them further by that talk. You need an honest approach like listen you have to delete this verse and that verse and you trash that teaching etc .

Education , public schools, colleges . look up …what I have said earler . infiltrate them . the commies have good ideas. Follow successful formula . sound business practice. . don’t make old man repeat again

oh and don’t let people waste your time with usless talk about be nice . you westerners are tolerant folks . no need to prove yourself . concentrate

 

[wadramli]

Apathy. You know you work with what you have . You learn to do without . and you really don’t want too many people involved . what you need is small group that is highly motivated and focused and a willing populace or populace that is bias in your favor . this is easy to do in the west because it is legal. You have the right to assembly , political liberty.

In England, think but I’m not sure , they banned , street curb/pavement praying . you do not need a whole lot of people. I want to walk my dog , I want to pass and you’re blocking the way . n countries with chriatin minorities they like to set up and pray infront of Christian homes and institutions when there is plenty other place to do it . but they gather in numbers and pray right infront of your door . .

There are cases where a Christian bequeathed his property to the church and when the church tried to turn it into a chapel the attempt was challenged on the ground it was Muslim land . this sort of territorialism must not be allowed . no praying on sidewalks . go to the mosque if you want to pray.

No praying at public schools. We Christians can pray individually and without physical gymnastics. Teach your kid to say grace loudly at the school cafeteria and hold hands . increase the size of the cross and wear them on chest , etc

Make sure no broadcasting from loud speakers. There is a really nice parish , brick built and fans and tile floor and all . they built a mosque right next to it. They like to do that . strive hard to buld a church and next thing you now they build a mosque right next to it or close to it . During mass they have an incredibly powerful speaker in the mosque and blow that speaker at full strength and the thing is pointed at the church. The sound is deafening I kid you not . they complain that church ring bell tell them there was a time when we rang the bells seven times a day but we stopped that . we do it only once and we do not scream and yell prayers ourt of speakers. Go get a bell and ring it once on your day . end of story .

Get grandma with the walking stick patrolling the sidewalks . denying access to grandma is unacceptable

all catholic charity organization are not allowed to assist the churches at penalty of being banned . and those who do not are still not allowed to operate . one that was engaged in providing medical service to Christian refugees was recently closed down . it is trying hard to get back but it doesn’t look good .when it was operating they were bleeding it financially . time you take that issue to Muslim charity org in the west and ask them what they think of that and demand that they do something . get the old folks with placards stand infront of them . you come we let you operate but your brothers do not let us . you need to reciprocate . you do not need many people to do that that . Christians are busy working and producing . you only need to rally them once in a while . when they beat up grandma. We’ve to go on mass demonstration. they beat up grandma …

 

[CEDRIK]

Thank you for saying what I couldn’t put into words.

You’re welcome.

I’ve read the other comments you made on this thread. I don’t think your approach and Wadramli’s are mutually exclusive, at least not necessarily. As we seem to agree, all Muslims are not the same, therefore we cannot deal with them all the same way.

Some Muslims are starting to realize that there is something wrong with their religion and are looking for an alternative. They might be open to the message of the Gospel.

Others are ignorant or worse, in complete denial and will keep repeating that Islam is a religion of peace despite the evidence to the opposite. I don’t think we should be overly concerned with those.

There is HOWEVER an important segment of the Muslim population that firmly believes in Islam and is ready to fight and kill for it and I’m afraid with those, it might be necessary to “put Jesus on the back burner and pass the ammunition”. I wish things were otherwise but we have to be realistic.

 

[wadramli]

Good words . our positions are not necessarily exclusive . infact if we compare …. if you threaten a woman kids she will attack you without mercy . and of course if she is your wife and you talk too much nonsense to her she will hit you in the head with the bible smack smack smack , and yell at you … don’t talk to me like that I’m you wife .in my travels I have observed that in them .

The Christians were I’m at are young Christians . they’re from an animal based hunter warrior culture . they’re a war like .the islamist regime itself used to employ Christian militias to balance their formula of control. They used to locate them inside the city to protect the regime . warlike is desirable .

The US administration threatened to slap sanctions on those African countries who allow us to use their countries as conduits for weapons shipments . The US administration worries that if we get advanced weapons we will head north and invade their Muslims client States … that’s okay our Chinese buddies send us a lot of amazing gadgets all the time . we sit under the mango trees and look at the catalogues and we say yes yes yes that one there. We want this , this push the button stuff is great . you sit under the mango tree and push the button. Saves you the journey .

I do not know if you will like us as Catholics . there is a chance you will not. The priest , few Sundays ago flipped out and started yelling during Mass that it is impossible to make proper Catholics of animists .his issue is polygamy . the one guy had five wives and the priest told him no more wives from hence forth. But the guy’s father died and he inherited three of his father’s wives . and the chieftain wears a cowboy hat in church . American evangelists driving trucks full with medicines and bibles slugging it with crocodiles innteh swamps and the elements bring the hats . the young folks sit under the mango tree and watch john Wayne and Clint eastward. They want the cowboy hat .There has been few incidents where kids stole my cowboy hat and they passed my hat among themselves. It is not really stealing . its just that concept of private property that way doesn’t exist … Everyone is wearing everyone shirts and cowboy hats .

A deal was made where we stay on one side and the Muslims stay on the other side . its called two countries . we got to have the oil wells on the deal . but we really didn’t understand what they were talking about . we didn’t know about the border deal . you can’t drive your cattle to that place over there because there is this border between you and fresh grass land . .then our Muslim neighbors went to the gulf states and they got themselves petro dollars and started building nice stuff . The West is very generous to them . they give them plenty Christian tax payers money . .we’re deep down a people’s people. We love people, we love our Muslim neighbors . so we started moving into our beloved Muslim neighbors land and some of us moved to their cities and we appropriated land to build our parishes . they complained at first . . they even brought truck with soldiers but eventually everything went well and we built our parish on usually one to two acres lots . then we appropriated more land to built mud homes all around and we have a thriving Christian community and the city came and did what they call urban planning , roads and municipal building . they built a mosque across from our parish but their mosque is invariably empty. The regime fears their Muslims gatherings. but our parish is always busy . Even Christians from other countries, farmers and peasants , they come and hold group prayers and make coffee and food for themselves . We let them . we’re hospitable people. We understand . they are from the crowd that goes…. I work with people I know and trust to god those I do not know or influence. When the Muslims butcher them we even take in their kids that were not killed and we raise them into proud cattle herders . they grow to be us .Our women say they will not marry ugly short adopted persons . height here matters .we tell her he is one of us and you will marry him and you will bear him a dozen kids . she refuses. Then we say he offers two hundred cows for you . her eyes light up and she says yes .the young man is fine . he trampled on many to get that many cows.

The people here see the bible from a tribal perspective . the disputes are not about those topics you find at this site . few weeks ago there was heated debate between a bunch of congregation members. Which of the 12 Israeli tribes are we ? some said we are from the Benjamin tribe , others disagreed and maintained passionately we come from the Jesus tribe. I got in the middle and I said I come from the house of Aaron. We continued like that till the curdled milk was all consumed . we asked for some more but the women said to beat it , shoo . the women milk the cows and have control of the curdled milk and the local brew. .but everyone agreed Muslims come from holes in the ground. The dispute regarding our tribe however remained unsolved .

 

[JimG]

Evangelization is necessary. In some places, like Saudi Arabia, Christian evangelization is simply not permitted. It is illegal. And in places like Kenya and Somalia, evangeliztion is, I think, quite dangerous. Even in the U.S., preaching the Gospel will get you accused of being a hater.

 

[wadramli]

Really don’t know what to say to you jim . the deck is stacked against the Christian when it comes to brining the bible to people . it is not easy to understand . after something like 20 thousand jihadist attacks since sept/11 and it seems a Muslim has an easier time of it proselytizing to folks than a Christian. I’m thinking the negativity does not have to do with the gospel . it couldn’t . it has to do with something else. I have hypothesis I could share that might shed light as to why oh why . but before that I have to qualify something I said above . .

its true the US administration threatened to slap sanctions on those African countries who allowed us to use their countries to transfer weapons , but its also true that the Americans helped us and played a pivotal role in brining to an end a 400 years of on and off war between the animist and Christians of Africa and the Muslims , a debt we could never repay . the spread of Islam was challenged on the battle field for centuries and was stopped dead on its track after centuries . .
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things got tough at one point . the Muslims received a an infusion of petro dollars and advanced weapons and foreign fighters joined - 8 thousand Iranians . the Americans gave us 20 million dollars . with that cash we got weapons and wreaked havoc on their armies . the bones of the Iranians are strewn about in the grass land . the hyenas ate them. We pick what we find and we bury it . the extremists came in droves . we slaughtered them.
American oil companies behaved honorably , the same t can not be said about some other western oil company who helped the Muslims to access the oil and helped transfer sensitive oil technologies to the Chinese . . Once again American evangelists got in the picture and mobilized pension funds and unions and other American organization. Only after a considerable effort where they able to get the oil company to leave . by then a lot of damage was done . some of that oil money went to fuel the war machine against us but some also went to places like Somalia and Hamas and the likes .

Oil companies are of course governments within governments . regimes the world over understand that fact very well. They’re more respectful and scared of those multinational corporations than US government or any other government . mess with the governments all you like but do not mess with the multi nationals because it will be your downfall. So its testimony to American evangelists acumen that they were able to pull off that stunt .

I’m not saying multi nationals are bad. They are a vital part that contributes to western living standards and they are responsible for many acts of generosity in Africa and to African Christians . The picture is never clear cut . sometimes though they need a smack. The name of the game is to cut a deal good for you and good for them. They have their issues . look at their paper work. . makes you wonder how do they manage to survive. Do not go harassing western corporations. The Chinese don’t do that to theirs nor do the Indians or what have you .

Everyone helped . the catholic church was at the forefront . south Africa helped , Israel helped .during a certain period Ethiopia bore the brunt of the weapon supply …

 

[wadramli]

happy Easter everyone . hope yours was great . ours was fantastic .

about calling you a hater . One time a Jew asked me why do they hate him. I said to him he is asking the wrong question. The right question he should ask is how come they can get away with it . you let people trample on you and one day they might wipe you from the face of the earth.

His Holiness Pope Francis said punch the guy . of course he meant it to be reasonable and not to get carried away . but he did say punch . When you punch put your shoulder and waist behind it .back in the day when I young I punched one Muslim student . we became great friends after that .practice boxing . when you come to or close to one thousand pound punch you’re ready to make friends .making friends help your evangelizing efforts .

Kenya is over 80% Christian. Kenya and Somalia is something one rather not talk much about or talk only about what has been talked about . know talk .See your guy has means of a super power at his disposal. I count quite a few intelligence apparatus operating . there are private armies who work for pay . there are warlords . we got enough issues as it is …

His Half brothers , one of them is crying out . lot of noise , that Africa must be de-Christianized . the half brother is funded by world number one sponsor of Islamic terror Saudi Arabia . Kenya says the money was intercepted. Don’t believe them. They took a cut .tax payer money your side has got through to them though . its an NGO of the super power. You can’t do anything about it . . money went to promote Islam in Kenya .
A Door is closed Jesus opens another one . the Chinese have troops on the ground now . they are full throttle ahead. They have been green light on the Ethiopian Dam. Chinese started and starting factories there employing thousands . imagine the commies. The Lord works in mysterious ways .but there’re some western multi nationals there too .i talked casually to one of the super power diplomat and he snapped at me. A nobody , career diplomat snapped at me . you got secularists who hate Christianity so much they back Islam not out of love for Islam but out of hate for Christianity.

What can I say ? they are circling around us . they failed to get through us so they’re using Somalia to circle around into sub sub-Saharan Africa. expect number of Christians to decrease in Kenya I guess.

A disappointed Saudi prince said openly and publicly that petro dollars should be strictly devoted to promoting Islam in America. He said to forget about Africans. He said Africans want food, take the food and then go to church .what it s , they think it pays them to take over America because then they will have its power .

Petro dollars off set Muslim’s deficiencies . check capitulation zones . those are zones between the Ottoman empire and the Christian west . Christians and Muslims lived in separate zones .Christians under Christian jurisdiction and Muslims under sharia. When the zones got disbanded the Christian zones were more affluent and more advanced . the reason Christians make money in four ways , charity, service, interest and innovations. Muslims make money two ways only , charity and service .

SPLC is over rated . what really did a number on the KKK is a radio program ,way back in the day , a comedy that made fun of the KKK . made them look goofy, not cool/hip to the young folks .

Islam as a religion is very vulnerable to this sort of thing . it wasn’t really what Charlie cartoon said .it was that it was a cartoon

. mocking comedy is much more acceptable . what can the liberals say ? tell them it’s art . The Satanic verses killed me. Time to make children comic books . you make them laugh they do not mind .

The SPLC tactics is injury law suites that aim to cause financial ruin. I don’t remember well. The Supreme court talked about two criteria . one if I remember right is that the hate speech leads to action. My claim in previous post is something like 20 thousand jihadist attacks took place since sept /11 . how many abortion clinic got blown up by Christian zealots ? a handful? Catholics should take the SPLCA to task. Follow the trail of money . that’s the first thing . render them irrelevant by starting your own non profit to combat so called racism. Color issues are good place to be . it’s a national pass time in America. They love that stuff. Bring you lots of positive attention. Catholics love black people. Power to the people.

Never ever let anyone beat you to good works. They get their power that way and they get a following that way that they can use against you maybe . start now . no more donations to the SPLCA from Catholics or to any associated org with them . do not let them get away with it. You got plenty retired catholic lawyers. Start your own law center . Rent offices right next to the SPLCA. Then sue the SPLC for hate speech .

Catholics are subject to negativity .we’re talking popular culture . the history has been modified and is selective chosen to create that culture. A lot of what went down between islam and Christianity is hidden or altered . they talk about the crusaders while Muslims butchered millions upon millions of Christians. that Islamic state beheading in Syria is part and parcel of islam. The history has to be corrected and taught in its full ugly truth in colleges . what islam has done in the past . the crusaders themselves were not bad. Time they be called heros.

Rationalization such as moderate and radical Muslims should be changed . they are not true unless they are some convenient political posturing .

 

[wadramli]

The topics can branch into all directions, don’t they ? lol

i shoudl tell you I do not hate Muslims . most of us do not hate Muslims. Muslims specially their women they come to the parish seeking help. . they’re hungry. they want something to eat . I always tell them ….by all means sit down Muslim woman ,your people dumped you ,your people don’t care about you , your people don’t like you so you come to us Christians for help and we’ll help you … and I give her something to eat.

Last month a Muslim woman was in the hospital dying . she had hepatitis. Hopeless case . terminal stage .only hope for her is if Jesus heals her . Her sister came to me tears rolling .her dying sister had a taste for a certain food and she asked me to get it for her and I did

.recently I was sole provider to another Muslim woman who had terminal cancer . years ago she prevailed on me to buy her a charcoal stove and kettle and tea and sugar and tea glasses . she never asked me for money again. .for years she was able to provide for herself selling tea on the street . I kid with her as she lay there …you know if I knew you were going to die from cancer I wouldn’t have wasted all that money on you .i want my money back … give it back… she cracks up. At the end she was somewhat spaced out from the sedative . I talk to her and she replies with something gibberish . hard for me to keep a straight face . what did you say ? around the moment she was delivering her soul she kept calling Jesus Jesus Jesus as you would call out to someone . he came . I felt his presence in the room .i let go of her hand and I got up and gave him a military salute . just had to . supreme champion of mankind in the room. take over Lord creation. she is all yours .

You know islam could have happened to anyone of us but for the grace of god ‘. You’ve to consider that . it could have been me you know .

We have two Muslim converts favored by Jesus . one I call Frankenstein because he looks like the creature in that movie. Very tall giant of a guy with no front teeth . he managed to get the prison authorities to let him in the prison to administer to Christian prisoners . he got no job, no place to stay , no nothing . when I run into him I always ask him …tell me my brother how do you manage and he always answers that Jesus provides for him. I laugh hard and I take all the money I happen to have in my pocket and I give to him .

The other goes to Islamic centers where the fanatical Muslims hang out and discuss how they plan to kill Christians and he proselytize to them … I ask now and then if they haven’t killed him yet . for a Muslim just to convert to Christianity is a crime punishable by death but this guy goes to them and preaches to them of how Jesus healed him … he is very powerful with the holy spirit. he is in his middle age . He was an English major when he was in college . he goes all over the place telling everyone he meets of a miracle that had happened to him. He was very sick and dying and Jesus came and healed him. He told me the story so many times . there is another thing with him. Whenever I remember him I run into him soon after. So tomorrow I will see him . I will make sure to give him some money . he is another one with no job, no place of his own to stay . one time he got sick . the sisters of mother Teresa took care of him. He leaves suddenly and goes to the war zone where he tells his story of how Jesus healed him… he tells that story over and over again and he even sings it when he tells it .

The tea lady and Frankenstein and Jesus healed me case they’ve never spilled blood.But many of the Christians and Muslims here have the mark of Cain all over our bodies . many have done unspeakable violence .our Sunday mass is someplace else where heated metal gives that smell and where the smell of rotten human flesh and burned flesh and the smell of blood abounds and teh rattling noise and booms . either way Jesus is unbeatable . in the end he wins . its okay . the best man winning. i do not bow to him out of servility but out of respect .