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Heyy. I neither claim to be catholic nor protestant. Just following our holy father in heaven and his perfect will…I just wished to bring this up…

I’ve been reading on your forums about aspects on how you dislike other parts of Christianity, and how it’s not your fit. And I appreciate your views and opinions. And I think it’s great. But all your views got me thinking…

So what if one church uses rock music and dancing and painting to bring glory to our God? Doesn’t God call musicians to play skillfully to him? And can’t dancing be an outward expression to our feelings torward God? Art, too? I dunno, that’s one thing I thought…

Another thing is that there is a lot of people on this planet. And Everyone is fearfully and wonderfully created by God…and everyone is different and unique. The church is a group of believers in Christ…it’s not a building. So who are we to say the catholic church is the “best” and only fit for a church? It may be the best fit for you and me, but not everyone else…

Everyone connects and responds to God differently, I think…I don’t have any scripture to back me up here, but I believe this.

So why must we bash or criticize? I understand that this forum is meant for discussion and debate…but we all know what goes on whenever you get a group of people talking about those pentecostals. 😉

I dunno. That’s just what’s been on my heart…I don’t know if I’m right, but that’s what I felt God wanted me to share…
 
Beyondmyeyes, the Catholic Church professes to proclaim the fullness of Truth and serves as the guardian of the sacraments. As guardian of the sacraments, the Church is thereby entrusted with the development and preservation of the ritual for the confection of the sacrament which is most sacred and central to all of Christian life: the Eucharist.

It’s not really a matter of denying musicians a right to play or artists their painting even though it may be all for the glory of God. It’s simply that the Church has determined that there is no place for that during the Mass, which is entirely the Church’s prerogative.
 
Beyondmyeyes said:
Heyy. I neither claim to be catholic nor protestant. Just following our holy father in heaven and his perfect will…I just wished to bring this up…

I’ve been reading on your forums about aspects on how you dislike other parts of Christianity, and how it’s not your fit. And I appreciate your views and opinions. And I think it’s great. But all your views got me thinking…

So what if one church uses rock music and dancing and painting to bring glory to our God? Doesn’t God call musicians to play skillfully to him? And can’t dancing be an outward expression to our feelings torward God? Art, too? I dunno, that’s one thing I thought…

Another thing is that there is a lot of people on this planet. And Everyone is fearfully and wonderfully created by God…and everyone is different and unique. The church is a group of believers in Christ…it’s not a building. So who are we to say the catholic church is the “best” and only fit for a church? It may be the best fit for you and me, but not everyone else…

Everyone connects and responds to God differently, I think…I don’t have any scripture to back me up here, but I believe this.

So why must we bash or criticize? I understand that this forum is meant for discussion and debate…but we all know what goes on whenever you get a group of people talking about those pentecostals. 😉

I dunno. That’s just what’s been on my heart…I don’t know if I’m right, but that’s what I felt God wanted me to share…
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You’re right; we should never bash or make fun of anyone’s religious belief, only spread the Truth in love. However, I don’t subscribe to the belief that each one of us has a particular religious “fit”. Certainly, we may connect with God in different ways than one another and worship Him with our own individualized talents that He bestowed upon us, but that doesn’t mean that we should believe different things about God’s nature or His plan for us. I think a fruitful excerpt from the Gospels to ponder is in John 17 when Jesus lets His desire be known “21[t]hat they all may be one, as you, Father, are in me, and I in you; that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 And the glory which you have given me, I have given to them: that, they may be one, as we also are one.” This unity can only be found on Jesus’s terms in the Church he founded on Peter as evidenced by Matthew 16:18. What are your thoughts on this line of beliefs?
 
Beyondmyeyes said:
Heyy. I neither claim to be catholic nor protestant. Just following our holy father in heaven and his perfect will…I just wished to bring this up…

I’ve been reading on your forums about aspects on how you dislike other parts of Christianity, and how it’s not your fit. And I appreciate your views and opinions. And I think it’s great. But all your views got me thinking…

So what if one church uses rock music and dancing and painting to bring glory to our God? Doesn’t God call musicians to play skillfully to him? And can’t dancing be an outward expression to our feelings torward God? Art, too? I dunno, that’s one thing I thought…

Another thing is that there is a lot of people on this planet. And Everyone is fearfully and wonderfully created by God…and everyone is different and unique. The church is a group of believers in Christ…it’s not a building. So who are we to say the catholic church is the “best” and only fit for a church? It may be the best fit for you and me, but not everyone else…

Everyone connects and responds to God differently, I think…I don’t have any scripture to back me up here, but I believe this.

So why must we bash or criticize? I understand that this forum is meant for discussion and debate…but we all know what goes on whenever you get a group of people talking about those pentecostals. 😉

I dunno. That’s just what’s been on my heart…I don’t know if I’m right, but that’s what I felt God wanted me to share…
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I think this has to be understood in the same manner that the Early Church Fathers understood it. if you listen to any sort of liturgical chant (be it Gregorian, Byzantine, Ambrosian, etc.), you’ll notice that something about the music feels very ethereal and other-worldly. The same is true of traditional iconography of the Church. It looks two dimensional and unrealistic because the goal is not to depict reality, it is to depict the transcendence of the divine and the other-worldliness of the life of the age to come. If we allow for music and artwork which is not designed to bring people to this transcendent idea of God but instead look to excite people into some sort of “emotional experience of God,” are we really experiencing the same God? Does God boil down to something as base as emotional experience, or is there something more transcendent and deep to God? Ultimately, we have to ask ourselves whether seeking after God is merely thrill-seeking or if it involves looking for something more. I personally subscribe to the latter, which is why I believe that changing the traditional art of the Church is unacceptable.
 
Beyondmyeyes said:
Heyy. I neither claim to be catholic nor protestant. Just following our holy father in heaven and his perfect will…I just wished to bring this up…

I’ve been reading on your forums about aspects on how you dislike other parts of Christianity, and how it’s not your fit. And I appreciate your views and opinions. And I think it’s great. But all your views got me thinking…

So what if one church uses rock music and dancing and painting to bring glory to our God? Doesn’t God call musicians to play skillfully to him? And can’t dancing be an outward expression to our feelings torward God? Art, too? I dunno, that’s one thing I thought…

Another thing is that there is a lot of people on this planet. And Everyone is fearfully and wonderfully created by God…and everyone is different and unique. The church is a group of believers in Christ…it’s not a building. So who are we to say the catholic church is the “best” and only fit for a church? It may be the best fit for you and me, but not everyone else…

Everyone connects and responds to God differently, I think…I don’t have any scripture to back me up here, but I believe this.

So why must we bash or criticize? I understand that this forum is meant for discussion and debate…but we all know what goes on whenever you get a group of people talking about those pentecostals. 😉

I dunno. That’s just what’s been on my heart…I don’t know if I’m right, but that’s what I felt God wanted me to share…
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How do you test the spirits?
 
Beyondmyeyes said:
Heyy. I neither claim to be catholic nor protestant. Just following our holy father in heaven and his perfect will…
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Do you believe in Sola Scriptura (that the Bible alone is the final authority and the sole rule of faith), excluding sacred tradition or the teaching authority of the Church?

If you answered ‘yes’ to this question then you are a Protestant by definition.

Don’t be afraid of names.
 
God reaches out to us in so many ways. For some there is comfort in liturgies that go back to the beginning of the faith. For others, it may be found in a contemplative life. Still others find it in living out God’s word in service, or in immersing themselves in a study of His word. It is not necessary to bash any of the other ways to celebrate one’s own path.

Do not be fooled by assuming that anyone on this site (or any other) has achieved a state of spiritual perfection. We are all works in progress. That is why the first term for Christianity was the Way. Some are fighting despair and the dark night of the soul. Some are experiencing the joy of the Lord. Take our words as a snapshot of where we are in our personal spiritual journeys A friend once said," If you are pointing a finger at me, there are three pointing back at you."
 
Oldtimer_7 said:
God reaches out to us in so many ways. For some there is comfort in liturgies that go back to the beginning of the faith. For others, it may be found in a contemplative life. Still others find it in living out God’s word in service, or in immersing themselves in a study of His word. It is not necessary to bash any of the other ways to celebrate one’s own path.

Do not be fooled by assuming that anyone on this site (or any other) has achieved a state of spiritual perfection. We are all works in progress. That is why the first term for Christianity was the Way. Some are fighting despair and the dark night of the soul. Some are experiencing the joy of the Lord. Take our words as a snapshot of where we are in our personal spiritual journeys A friend once said," If you are pointing a finger at me, there are three pointing back at you."
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Yeah, tell that to the Apostles who always warned the people of God to stay away from those who preach a different Gospel and do not adhere to the teachings of the One Holy Church found by Jesus Christ.
 
You say “the church is a group of believers…not a building.” I assume you are saying that the church is invisible and not visible. If there is no visible church, then who decides what is true and what is not concerning the Christian faith. Who speaks for the church in 1 Timothy 3:15? In Matthew 18:15-17, where it says, “tell it to the church”. Which church do you tell it to, if the church is only invisible? Where do you go for the answer? And how do you know that answer is correct?
 
We shouldn’t bash others, but should love others. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a religious Truth. It seems to me where you are coming from is that there isn’t one right Christian Church. that can’t be right because the Apostles were apart of one Church and they all taught one doctrine. So now you know that one church is right. Next find out which one - the 1st one :p. AKA the Catholic Church :).
 
Wisdomseeker, compared to the ferment of responses to the life of Jesus and His ministry in the first century, we are practically joined at the hip. We believe in a Trinity, we use essentially the same Bible (keep in mind that there is not official doctrine in either the Lutheran Word Federation, nor in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America that the only Bible is one that contains 66 books). We share the practice of baptism and Eucharist, though we interpret them differently. We really have no modern counterparts to Marcionites with two gods, Ebionites who saw Jesus as a man generated by normal human means, or Gnostics, with over 100 gods.

A friend was in Russia during the Soviet era. He was smuggled into a worship service, ducking in and out of buildings, slinking down dark alleys, to end up in a close room with a number of people who gather to worship.; There were Orthodox, Catholics, Evangelicals, and others. The unity was overwhelming to him. He went back after the fall of Communism and tried to find the old group. They had split down the usual denominational lines that we see today. So much for unity. It is not God that withholds unity from us.
 
Rock Music distracts from worship of Jesus Christ. Church should be focused on Christ. Shouldn’t worship be REVERENT?

That’s why I am glad I am Catholic. The Mass is focused on CHRIST, not on loud music.
 
Beyondmyeyes said:
And Everyone is fearfully and wonderfully created by God.

Everyone connects and responds to God differently
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Just a few points. The Bible explains to us everyone is perfectly created by God.

Everyone connects to God the same way which is Love of God. God comes through the Son and the Holy Spirit to us. He decends so we can ascend. We ascend by Love of God and by prayer individually. When we choose to cooperate with Gods plan he allows us to ascend, now the intercession is working both ways through Gods grace.

Bible tells us God created One Church. For time to be collapsed and mankind to move foward to the Kingdom of Christ there could be no other path but one church. 🤷

The only issues here are incorrect or correct denial. The incorrect denial is believing there could be Two or more churchs. The correct denial should have been excersied before one church became two. For as we clearly see now we have a major issue…how many churchs?

How could that be right when its all wrong according to Bible?

Good topic “if” you stay away from what the one church should be. In other words we all must first agree there could only be one church. Right?

Peace
 
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It seems to me where you are coming from is that there isn’t one right Christian Church. that can’t be right because the Apostles were apart of one Church and they all taught one doctrine. So now you know that one church is right
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I agree, does everyone else?
 
Oldtimer_7 said:
Wisdomseeker, compared to the ferment of responses to the life of Jesus and His ministry in the first century, we are practically joined at the hip. We believe in a Trinity, we use essentially the same Bible (keep in mind that there is not official doctrine in either the Lutheran Word Federation, nor in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America that the only Bible is one that contains 66 books). We share the practice of baptism and Eucharist, though we interpret them differently. We really have no modern counterparts to Marcionites with two gods, Ebionites who saw Jesus as a man generated by normal human means, or Gnostics, with over 100 gods.

A friend was in Russia during the Soviet era. He was smuggled into a worship service, ducking in and out of buildings, slinking down dark alleys, to end up in a close room with a number of people who gather to worship.; There were Orthodox, Catholics, Evangelicals, and others. The unity was overwhelming to him. He went back after the fall of Communism and tried to find the old group. They had split down the usual denominational lines that we see today. So much for unity. It is not God that withholds unity from us.
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Those you believe today came from the CC and no one else. You do realize that you spouse some heretical believes from the past. At least i hope you do.

The point is that Christ found one Church and not many. We must be obedient to that one Church. God did not give a man the right to go out of His Church to build a church for themselves. Until you realize that, there will be no unity. The gathering of diferent faiths is not the plan of God and will not work. that is why you see continuously splits.

God does not withhold unity, man do through disobedience. Protestantism work against the CC. they keep millions of people from participating in the Sacraments and from participating in the Covenant Celebration. God has established great things for His people withing His Church. Those outside cannot have it because God cannot work against HImself.
 
The OP is an example of rampant relativism. There is no religious truth.
 
Beyondmyeyes said:
Heyy. I neither claim to be catholic nor protestant. Just following our holy father in heaven and his perfect will…I just wished to bring this up…

I’ve been reading on your forums about aspects on how you dislike other parts of Christianity, and how it’s not your fit. And I appreciate your views and opinions. And I think it’s great. But all your views got me thinking…

So what if one church uses rock music and dancing and painting to bring glory to our God? Doesn’t God call musicians to play skillfully to him? And can’t dancing be an outward expression to our feelings torward God? Art, too? I dunno, that’s one thing I thought…

Another thing is that there is a lot of people on this planet. And Everyone is fearfully and wonderfully created by God…and everyone is different and unique. The church is a group of believers in Christ…it’s not a building. So who are we to say the catholic church is the “best” and only fit for a church? It may be the best fit for you and me, but not everyone else…
Everyone connects and responds to God differently, I think…I don’t have any scripture to back me up here, but I believe this.

So why must we bash or criticize? I understand that this forum is meant for discussion and debate…but we all know what goes on whenever you get a group of people talking about those pentecostals. 😉

I dunno. That’s just what’s been on my heart…I don’t know if I’m right, but that’s what I felt God wanted me to share…
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Says who?
 
Beyondmyeyes said:
Another thing is that there is a lot of people on this planet. And Everyone is fearfully and wonderfully created by God…and everyone is different and unique. The church is a group of believers in Christ…it’s not a building. So who are we to say the catholic church is the “best” and only fit for a church?
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The historical fact remains that it is the only one ever founded by Jesus. Every other religion and every other form of Christianity in the world was founded by someone else.

Even if you deny that Jesus was God in human form, it remains a historical fact that the same Jesus who was crucified on a hill for claiming that he was God, is the founder of the Catholic Church that is presently headquartered in Rome.

It is also a historical fact that the Bishop of Rome is a direct successor of the Apostle Peter, to whom Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.” (see John 21:15-19)

You can believe whatever you want about Jesus - imposter, self-deluded, egomaniac, or God - or that he was just this really nice guy who had a great idea to form an organization based around love, and then his followers decided he was so great that he must have been God - this person who lived at that place and at that time, whom we call “Jesus” established an organization, trained 12 men to be its leaders, set Peter over them as their leader, and over time, it became what we know today as the Catholic Church.
Everyone connects and responds to God differently, I think…I don’t have any scripture to back me up here, but I believe this.
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This is true - which is why, within the Catholic Church, there is room for every authentic kind of spirituality, and room for every kind of cultural expression. 🙂
 
Well, God chose for His people to offer him sacrifice in a specific set manner, kinda like a liturgy… with set prayers, actions, and such. So we obey Him by doing the Mass as it has developed since the 1st century.
 
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