Just overheard while in line at dunkin donuts

[purplesunshine]

I don’t believe in euphemism. Wanna know why? Read 1984. I also don’t believe in muffling the truth with verbal fluff.

Ah well… guess I’ll be the troll. kpeople:

I’m not sure how familiar you are with trolls, but being one is NOT a good thing. Especially, in the family forum. Unless you change your tune pretty quick you’ll find yourself with warnings and then banning. Trolls are completely unwelcome. We SHOULD act with mercy and love towards our fellow catholics (that is, if you’re catholic) and we expect non-catholics to treat us with equal respect.

I feel that had the elderly gentlemen said “farm” or “labor camp” they’d of been more than right about Oprah. I consider her a blight to modern thinking, and I think that she’s gravely responsible for the ruin of more than one soul. And perhaps, by plantation, the man wasn’t even thinking of slavery, but envisioned Oprah in her cameo role on “color Purple” and thought real labor would do her good. In that case MercyMia would of owed them a large apology.

There’s not much verbal fluff on here, and there is a need for truth, but telling a shocked and befuddled poster that she is part of the problem of racism is really uncalled for. That, coupled with your attitude on other threads, will cause most logical people to ignore your posts.

 

[ALLGIRLS]

You know when you just hear something and it puts a cloud over your day
I was grabbing a snack on my break. There was a gathering of older folks, probably 70+ having coffee and donuts while I was in line for my bagel and coffee. They were talking about Obama and corrupt Chicago politics…all stuff I agreed with. Someone mentioned Oprah being connected to Obama and one of the men said, “her fat a** should be on a plantation.” Yes. He said that. My heart sank. I was about to confront him and my timid side kicked in and I thought maybe I had misheard him. Nobody else seemed to react. It was noisy and crowded in there. I am just at a loss that people can speak these words, can think these thoughts. I live in Connecticut too… on the coast, not far outside NYC where people tend to be very progressive. I have not encountered many racist attitudes (though I know they exist). It was just such a harsh thing to hear. I mean, of all people I really dislike Oprah and I feel that her exposing people to New Age teachings is just a tragedy…but to make such a statement about her based on race…I am disgusted. I am back at my desk now…regretting that I didn’t pull that man aside and ask if I heard him correctly. May God change the hate in his heart and replace it for love all his people. Sigh, I just had to post this…maybe just as a reminder to myself how hateful we can be to our own brothers and sisters.

And it’s yahoos like that who are the reason that everyone who doesn’t agree w/ Obama’s policies are accused of being racist! I know I’m not supposed to “hate” anyone, and I should really pray for these people, but racists make me so mad ! Grrr. It’s something I really need God to work on in me.

In Christ,

Ellen

 

[Speak_Up]

Just because I am new here does not mean I am new to message boards. I know what a troll is. I was being sarcastic. Yeesh…

I stand by the statement that people too cowardly to stand up against racism are part of the problem of racism. The white people who marched with the black protestors in the South and took the firehoses alongside them were courageous enough to risk their lives and safety to help their black brothers and sisters. The ones who sat silently in their houses and refused to stand up against evil were part of the problem. They assented by their refusal to oppose.

I think past generations had more grit than we do. Those people in the 60s were willing to risk bodily injury and possible death to fight the evil of racism. People these days aren’t even willing to risk a little social discomfort. People in the 40s had lived through the Great Depression and then fought a World War on two fronts that lasted, depending on where you lived, 4 to 6 years. People these days can’t stand the fact that a war against a nebulous global terror threat isn’t over yet, or that the economy has been in the tank for a mere 18 months. We’re wusses. And yes, my family is suffering too, so that is not flippant.

 

[CB_Catholic]

You know I was just about to climb up on my high horse and say that I grew up in a house of Italian immigrants and Europeans have a totally different out look on race and then I remembered something - my MIL, who was also raised in Italy once stated to my husband that my family was trash because we are from Southern Italy (just outside of Rome) and she is from Northern Italy and therefore better. Now, if you saw me you would see that I am very pale and have blue eyes, as is the rest of my family…yet there is apparently a race-related bias in Italy (the more Southern you are…the closer to Africa perhaps?) I had never heard my mom mention this until my MIL made the nasty statement. So I guess every society has its ignorance…must be a flaw from the fall. We can get so far away from love so fast, all of us.

I grew up in the same kind of Italian household. I don’t think it has to do with being closer to Africa. Italians are proud of family and the region they came from, and there seems to be this attitude toward other regions. In my family, my grandmother came from northern Italy and was fair skinned and green-eyed and red-haired, my grandfather came from further south, but not as far south as Rome, and was dark-haired and dark-skinned, so after the marriage, instead of having biases against each other’s regions, (because you stick together as a family) they had them against those from Sicily! (They did not consider them true Italians). And when you would talk to them they would say they were Italian and proudly name their familial region. But I never heard them speak in a racist manner about African-Americans, Hispanics, etc. Every culture does have their own predjudices and ignorance.

There were 2 question asked when you were going to marry someone–is he/she Italian, and is he/she Catholic–in that order. Well all 3 of their children married Germans, one not Catholic (although he converted), so they had to adapt. And by the time the grandchildren got married, it was a moot point

 

[MercyMia]

Just because I am new here does not mean I am new to message boards. I know what a troll is. I was being sarcastic. Yeesh…

I stand by the statement that people too cowardly to stand up against racism are part of the problem of racism. The white people who marched with the black protestors in the South and took the firehoses alongside them were courageous enough to risk their lives and safety to help their black brothers and sisters. The ones who sat silently in their houses and refused to stand up against evil were part of the problem. They assented by their refusal to oppose.

I think past generations had more grit than we do. Those people in the 60s were willing to risk bodily injury and possible death to fight the evil of racism. People these days aren’t even willing to risk a little social discomfort. People in the 40s had lived through the Great Depression and then fought a World War on two fronts that lasted, depending on where you lived, 4 to 6 years. People these days can’t stand the fact that a war against a nebulous global terror threat isn’t over yet, or that the economy has been in the tank for a mere 18 months. We’re wusses. And yes, my family is suffering too, so that is not flippant.

Speak up…it’s not that I am afraid to stand up and speak my voice or that I lack grit. I march and protest for the right to life and would get arrested 100x over if turned out that way. Afraid to risk social discomfort? I have lost friends over the life issue and had people on my campus not talk to me during the 2004 election. I was just caught in a really awkward moment…I don’t always do so well when I am caught off guard or if I am doubting that I heard something correctly. I guess I am prepared for the hate of peolel against the unborn and even against God and the Church…I had never heard something so blatantly racist fly out of someone’s mouth before, I was truly stunned and as I stated, fearful that I misheard. I agree with you that people who are afraid to stand up are corwardly, and as I stated in my first post I was regretting it as soon as the time had passed.

 

[purplesunshine]

Just because I am new here does not mean I am new to message boards. I know what a troll is. I was being sarcastic. Yeesh…

Then you should use /sarcasm/ or some other denotation. We cannot read into your posts, you wanted to say things without fluff, and sarcasm is part of “fluff” imo.

Seriously, though, you need to go to the top of this forum and read the rules. You’re just barley following them. Just barley. And with your attitude, I’m sure they’ll be more than one poster happy to click report post when you go over the line.

I stand by the statement that people too cowardly to stand up against racism are part of the problem of racism. The white people who marched with the black protestors in the South and took the firehoses alongside them were courageous enough to risk their lives and safety to help their black brothers and sisters. The ones who sat silently in their houses and refused to stand up against evil were part of the problem. They assented by their refusal to oppose.

I think past generations had more grit than we do. Those people in the 60s were willing to risk bodily injury and possible death to fight the evil of racism. People these days aren’t even willing to risk a little social discomfort. People in the 40s had lived through the Great Depression and then fought a World War on two fronts that lasted, depending on where you lived, 4 to 6 years. People these days can’t stand the fact that a war against a nebulous global terror threat isn’t over yet, or that the economy has been in the tank for a mere 18 months. We’re wusses. And yes, my family is suffering too, so that is not flippant.

Blah, blah, blah. People were willing to risk injury, yeah, we all know the story. They were marching, standing up for something. They did good. HOWEVER, bashing a poster after the fact is nothing more than petty and rude. Acting like she’s contributing to racism IS uncalled for. Acting like she’s (or any of us) are not willing to risk social discomfort ever is also rather persumptious.

If your family is suffering go start a thread somewhere. Lots of people are suffering…thats nothing new. Calling us all whimps becuase we don’t see eye to eye or adhere to your cause is just immature.

 

[MrS]

So basically, because I’m new, you feel you can disparage my intent and dismiss what I say?

Nice welcome. It’s a wonder anyone stays on this board past their first day if this is how you people treat them.

Since I made the first observation, let me add this…

I simply noticed that you had 2 posts… welcome to CAF
I also noticed that your first post was on the ND scandal, and you were…hhmm… blunt in your opinion on something that happened months ago.
I also noticed that your other post, here on this thread, was…hhmmm…blunt. Or rather “harsh”.

As to the level of credibility… anonymous posters have none.

As another poster stated… you, and anyone, will be recognized by the trend, or attitudes of your posts, as well as the content. Some posters prefer the silly (IMO) threads that do nothing more than occupy time and run up their post numbers. Others have high numbers because they are constantly relaying news-worthy items for the rest of us.

And others are easily recognized by their political or religious positions, and a tendency to repel the (name removed by moderator)ut and constructive criticisms of others.

Others, myself included, try to add some humor and sarcasm which makes it easier to post on difficult topics. I have received a number of “infractions” from the mods… and one or two of them might even have been deserved… so be prepared for yours.

Anyway, get in the donuts line and have one on me.

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[MercyMia]

I grew up in the same kind of Italian household. I don’t think it has to do with being closer to Africa. Italians are proud of family and the region they came from, and there seems to be this attitude toward other regions. In my family, my grandmother came from northern Italy and was fair skinned and green-eyed and red-haired, my grandfather came from further south, but not as far south as Rome, and was dark-haired and dark-skinned, so after the marriage, instead of having biases against each other’s regions, (because you stick together as a family) they had them against those from Sicily! (They did not consider them true Italians). And when you would talk to them they would say they were Italian and proudly name their familial region. But I never heard them speak in a racist manner about African-Americans, Hispanics, etc. Every culture does have their own predjudices and ignorance.

There were 2 question asked when you were going to marry someone–is he/she Italian, and is he/she Catholic–in that order. Well all 3 of their children married Germans, one not Catholic (although he converted), so they had to adapt. And by the time the grandchildren got married, it was a moot point

Yes, you are right, many Italians look down on Sicily and do not feel they are “true” Italians. As for me…I say give me that delicious Sicilian food and the good Sicilian company while eating it! I know that many Italians also have a bad view (I am generalizing here) of Albanians and Eastern Europeans because they often seek refuge in Italy during turbulent times in their home country and sometimes they take Italian jobs and sometimes the women take husbands, sadly. I was in Italy during the war in Kosovo in '99 and there were refuges hiding in abandoned houses in my mother’s small town. Needless to say, the people in my mom’s small town were all a buz with gossip about them. I have taken this very far off topic…though I am very into my Italian heritage!

 

[Speak_Up]

Anyway, get in the donuts line and have one on me.

Buttermilk bar, and a large coffee with room!

 

[whatevergirl]

[SIGN]This thread makes me want Krispy Kreme donuts![/SIGN]

Sorry. I have nothing of value to add beyond that, Mia.

 

[MercyMia]

LOL Whatevergirl…I am sure somewhere in the world at this very moment there is a red “Hot Now” sign glowing like a beacon just waiting for us!

 

[happymommy]

[SIGN]This thread makes me want Krispy Kreme donuts![/SIGN]

Sorry. I have nothing of value to add beyond that, Mia.

I keep wanting to know what kind of donut she got. I’ll blame it on being pregnant:blush: I’m trying not to eat that stuff, but gee it sounds good!!