Just realized what the DaVinci Code

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DeniseR:
I sat in on my son’s Confirmation class this evening. The topic was on marriage. The teacher, an unmarried devout Catholic man, was talking about the first person to see the resurrected Christ – Mary Magdaline.

He said that Jesus appeared to her first because they may have had a special relationship. He said something like, “There are a lot of stories recently that claim Jesus was married. Is that true? It’s hard to say. But we do know that Jesus defended women…”

I forgot to bring it up with him after class but how can a good Catholic man who is very devoted and teaches high school Confirmation classes even consider such nonsense???

I don’t know if he read the Da Vinci Code or not but he’s obviously being effected by it negatively.
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I highly recommend that you go to your pastor at once and tell him what the teacher said. He should NOT be teaching religion classes in the Catholic setting. We all need to be pro-active if we wish our christian faith to flourish.

Good luck

Love and peace

Mom of 5
 
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DeniseR:
I sat in on my son’s Confirmation class this evening. The topic was on marriage. The teacher, an unmarried devout Catholic man, was talking about the first person to see the resurrected Christ – Mary Magdaline.

He said that Jesus appeared to her first because they may have had a special relationship. He said something like, “There are a lot of stories recently that claim Jesus was married. Is that true? It’s hard to say. But we do know that Jesus defended women…”

I forgot to bring it up with him after class but how can a good Catholic man who is very devoted and teaches high school Confirmation classes even consider such nonsense???

I don’t know if he read the Da Vinci Code or not but he’s obviously being effected by it negatively.
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Is it dogma of the Church that Jesus was never married?
 
Here in Britain (Christian) presenter of a popular archeology programme ‘Time Team’ Tony Robinson made a programme about the ‘Da Vinci Code’ when it first came out, and by going to all the sites in the novel and talking to experts (most of whom weren’t Christians) he managed to de-bunk everything that was put forward in the novel, quite easily. His ending lines were ‘Read it as a novel, a work of fiction, and remember: don’t believe EVERYTHING you read without finding proof first!’. This is where a lot of people go wrong: reading a work of fiction as if it’s non-fiction, and not finding proof for themselves.

Anna x
 
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CWG2006:
The “Da Vinci Code” is actually a very good book in that it challenges traditional beliefs and dogma and tests the depth of one’s understanding of his/her faith. As Dan Brown himself has said, the book is intended to spark debate, particularly within ourselves.

However, the only way to appreciate the novel is to keep an open mind and suspend judgment at least for the duration of the story. Try to see where the author is coming from. “True knowledge (or wisdom) sees both sides of the coin, and discovers the unity of the two.”
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I wonder if this would be your opinion on the book Mein Kampf.

I don’t have to taste doggie doo to know it is bad and when you talk of the unity of both sides of the coin here you are getting dangerously close to reletavism. This is how heresey has always been spread, it is a form of Arianism.
 
CWG2006 said:
“True knowledge (or wisdom) sees both sides of the coin, and discovers the unity of the two.”
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:rotfl:

There is no unity between truth and a lie. Dan Brown’s thesis is that Jesus Christ did not die on the cross, but instead ran away to get married and have a family, and that the Catholic Church has deceived and killed to keep this a secret from the world.

While that might make entertaining fiction, it is hardly part of anything resembling “true knowledge (or wisdom)”.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
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Ortho:
Is it dogma of the Church that Jesus was never married?
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From Pope Paul VI’s encylical on priestly celibacy:
  1. Christ, the only Son of the Father, by the power of the Incarnation itself was made Mediator between heaven and earth, between the Father and the human race. Wholly in accord with this mission, Christ remained throughout His whole life in the state of celibacy, which signified His total dedication to the service of God and men. This deep concern between celibacy and the priesthood of Christ is reflected in those whose fortune it is to share in the dignity and mission of the Mediator and eternal Priest; this sharing will be more perfect the freer the sacred minister is from the bonds of flesh and blood.
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From SACERDOTALIS CAELIBATUS
The Celibacy of the Priest
Encyclical of Pope Paul VI promulgated on June 24, 1967
papalencyclicals.net/Paul06/p6sacerd.htm
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Dan Brown is simply proposing this as a possibility. That is why the novel is categorized as “fiction”.

Besides, it is not like the Catholic Church has been clean and unblemished throughout history. To the contrary (and no offense), it has committed the very same crimes that every tyrant, thief, murderer, and rapist has done. It condemned Galileo as a heretic and incarcerated him in an excruciating manner for declaring his discovery that the earth is not the center of the universe ( which the Church once believed it is and held as the truth ). It burned alchemists, scientists, free masons and those who thirst for higher knowledge on stakes for “traficking with the devil” or practicing “witchcraft”. And in the history of many countries around the globe, this so called religious institution spearheaded corruption, discrimination, injustice, greed, and so on and so forth.
Amidst all these misdeeds, it had the nerve to declare itself as the bringer of truth from God. (By the way, did you know that during the Albigensian crusade, no less than Pope Innocent (an ironic name) III ordered the massive killing of men, women, and children of the Cathar belief just because they belonged the the “wrong” religion?)

Knowing this, how can I be sure that the Church is speaking the truth this time? No author in the Bible saw what actually happened. The Bible was written at least 50 years after Jesus died so there is a great possibility that personal interpretations, prejudices, and distortions have been injected here and there. And so what if Jesus fell in love, married Magdalene, and had a kid? Does that automatically make him a bad person, or less holy? Isn’t falling in love a part of life? Isn’t life a creation of the Almighty? Isn’t love an expression of God’s existence in all of us?

These are just a few of the questions that Da Vinci Code sparked among its readers. The book made people think, thus paving the way for them to be empowered to seek the truth based on their experiences and learnings in life.
 
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CWG2006:
Dan Brown is simply proposing this as a possibility. That is why the novel is categorized as “fiction”.

Besides, it is not like the Catholic Church has been clean and unblemished throughout history. To the contrary (and no offense), it has committed the very same crimes that every tyrant, thief, murderer, and rapist has done. It condemned Galileo as a heretic and incarcerated him in an excruciating manner for declaring his discovery that the earth is not the center of the universe ( which the Church once believed it is and held as the truth ). It burned alchemists, scientists, free masons and those who thirst for higher knowledge on stakes for “traficking with the devil” or practicing “witchcraft”. And in the history of many countries around the globe, this so called religious institution spearheaded corruption, discrimination, injustice, greed, and so on and so forth.
Amidst all these misdeeds, it had the nerve to declare itself as the bringer of truth from God. (By the way, did you know that during the Albigensian crusade, no less than Pope Innocent (an ironic name) III ordered the massive killing of men, women, and children of the Cathar belief just because they belonged the the “wrong” religion?)

Knowing this, how can I be sure that the Church is speaking the truth this time? No author in the Bible saw what actually happened. The Bible was written at least 50 years after Jesus died so there is a great possibility that personal interpretations, prejudices, and distortions have been injected here and there. And so what if Jesus fell in love, married Magdalene, and had a kid? Does that automatically make him a bad person, or less holy? Isn’t falling in love a part of life? Isn’t life a creation of the Almighty? Isn’t love an expression of God’s existence in all of us?

These are just a few of the questions that Da Vinci Code sparked among its readers. The book made people think, thus paving the way for them to be empowered to seek the truth based on their experiences and learnings in life.
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I think this post is an excellent example of why the Davici Code is problematic. The poster declares it to be fiction and then spreads basically hate and half truths ending it with this is why the book is good. People read the book and it supports thier misguided “view of history and our Church” They want no real evedence nor do they see a book that is “just fiction” they see something that feeds them with error and requires no need to learn the real Truth. Or the reality of the Curch. People assume that everyone who reads this junk is introspective and intellectual and they will see through it and just enjoy a good book, but this is what really happens.
 
There is no unity between truth and a lie. Dan Brown’s thesis is that Jesus Christ did not die on the cross, but instead ran away to get married and have a family, and that the Catholic Church has deceived and killed to keep this a secret from the world.

While that might make entertaining fiction, it is hardly part of anything resembling “true knowledge (or wisdom)”.

– Mark L. Chance.
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It’s been a few years, but I don’t think Brown denies Jesus death. I think he mentions some think that, but he has Mary Magdelene and her kid running away from Palestine to France.
 
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Ortho:
OK. Does a statement in an encyclical define dogma?
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Ok so Mary concieved without relations but Jesus was married and had kids. this Kid or kids, run away never to be heard from again while the Church that thier dad started is ruled by the apostles? While the statesmant that JPII said probably isn’t dogma it should be givcen more wieght than dan brown.

I am sure that there is dogma on this because it touches on many different heresys regaurding the divinity of Jesus. I just apologize that I am not able to find that. I sure hope someone does as it is kind of embarassing that on a Catholic website we can’t defend heresy
 
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Ortho:
OK. Does a statement in an encyclical define dogma?
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There’s a current thread that is discussing this. I recommend you seek it out so as not the kill the topic at hand.
 
For those who can’t wait for the publication of the next Dan Brown book, there is now a new book purporting to be a guide to the things he will be considering.
 
I read it. Didn’t like it. Nothing to do with attacks on the Church, or the promotion of historical inaccuracies. Just didn’t think it was a well written book. Plan and simple.

I have some students reading it. They keep trying to convince me that the real reason I didn’t like the book because it’s “anti-Catholic.”

The book isn’t “anti-Catholic.” It’s just poorly written mainstream media.
 
Don’t feel too bad. I work at a university and heard several professors (admittedly not literature or theology ones) praising the book and claiming how everything in it was true, of course continuing to say that the Church deliberately concealed these facts, et cetera ad nauseum.

My mother, a retired second grade teacher, told me many times that so-called intelligent and highly educated people often lack common sense. She put it a bit more colorfully…
 
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CWG2006:
Dan Brown is simply proposing this as a possibility. That is why the novel is categorized as “fiction”.

Besides, it is not like the Catholic Church has been clean and unblemished throughout history. To the contrary (and no offense), it has committed the very same crimes that every tyrant, thief, murderer, and rapist has done…
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I have to agree with aimee on this one. This has the makings of one dandy troll. I’ve seen more of 'em around these parts it seems.

That said, it is worth always talking about the DaVinci code. Especially with the movie coming out. My wife had a funny comment. after reading the book for her book club: “Either I worship Mary, or I’m not recognizing the ‘divine feminine’, I can’t win.”

Sadly, with the movie coming out, we should all brush up because I think we are going to have alot of opportunities for rejoicing at being persecuted for the truth.

‘Did you know the Church…’ :rolleyes:
 
The book is an entertaining fiction. Nothing more, nothing less. I derive equal amusement from those who “believe” it is divulging some secret truth about the antics of the Catholic Church as I do from those who say it is fiction, and then feel the need to bolster their argument with all sorts of authoritative tomes “debunking” the premise of the book.

Religious faith and tradition–especially involving an ancient, wealthy and politically powerful institution like the Catholic Church–has frequently been the source of entertaining fiction. Wasn’t The Exorcist a wildly popular fictional film a generation ago? How about Rosemary’s Baby…The Lost Boys, The Omen movies, Agnes of God, Angel Heart, The Last Temptation of Christ, The Exorcism of Emily Rose, etc. I continually fail to see how or why the DaVinci Code is so troubling to those who know it to be a fiction.
 
Island Oak:
The book is an entertaining fiction. Nothing more, nothing less. I derive equal amusement from those who “believe” it is divulging some secret truth about the antics of the Catholic Church as I do from those who say it is fiction, and then feel the need to bolster their argument with all sorts of authoritative tomes “debunking” the premise of the book.

Religious faith and tradition–especially involving an ancient, wealthy and politically powerful institution like the Catholic Church–has frequently been the source of entertaining fiction. Wasn’t The Exorcist a wildly popular fictional film a generation ago? How about Rosemary’s Baby…The Lost Boys, The Omen movies, Agnes of God, Angel Heart, The Last Temptation of Christ, The Exorcism of Emily Rose, etc. I continually fail to see how or why the DaVinci Code is so troubling to those who know it to be a fiction.
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We know it is fiction, the problem is with those who seek out anything they can to "prove " their anti-Catholic views. To those readers, Browns novel is “truth”. As I recall, the novels you mention did not get the hype Da Vinci is getting. The authors did not put forth the story as being “true” as Brown is doing with this novel. Did you read the post telling about the religious instructor who obviously thinks there may be some merit in this fictional novel.

Love and peace,

Mom of 5
 
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