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My Aunt bought me a blessed (I have no idea if it is) Brown Scapular when she back from her vacation in Italy. She says you wear it under your shirt with one side facing your chest and the other your back. Do I have to enroll in a Third Order in order to receive graces?
 
My Aunt bought me a blessed (I have no idea if it is) Brown Scapular when she back from her vacation in Italy. She says you wear it under your shirt with one side facing your chest and the other your back. Do I have to enroll in a Third Order in order to receive graces?
The Carmelite Third Order – that is of both the ancient observance and of the discalced reform – are at a considerably different level from those who wear the scapular as a pious practice. If your interest actually lies with the secular order of either branch of Carmel, that is a different question.

For the question at hand: You may ask the priest or the deacon in your parish to invest you with the Carmelite scapular. The rite is contained in The Book of Blessings, which should be in the sacristy of the parish.

You may also find it online…such as

catholicculture.org/culture//liturgicalyear/prayers/view.cfm?id=1086

You might find this catechesis on the scapular helpful

meditationsfromcarmel.com/content/scapular-catechesis
 
It is not my wish wish to cause any confusion or to start an argument, but it is uncertain whether a deacon may enroll someone in the brown scapular. I got into quite a protracted discussion about it with a deacon friend of mine some years ago.

According to this webpage of the Sisters of Carmel, an ordained deacon* cannot* enroll a person in the Scapular - only and ordained priest of the Catholic Church can.

Sisters of Carmel ; Brown Scapular ; FAQ’s (see question # 9 - quoted below) :
  1. Can an ordained deacon enroll a person in the Brown Scapular?
No, an ordained deacon cannot enroll a person in the Scapular. Only an ordained priest of the Catholic Church can perform the investiture.
We get the same answer from Gloriatv

gloria.tv/article/nErnBjA4AM9S1Y1eT7ayWY6eC

As far as I’ve been able to tell, it would seem that while the deacon does have the faculty to bless a scapular, he does not have the faculty to invest someone in, or to enroll someone in the brown Scapular; only the priest.

This would further seem to be borne out by the fact that any subsequent scapular worn by the one invested need not be blessed - the investiture automatically confers a blessing to any subsequent brown Scapular(s) to be worn by the member.

Pax vobis.
 
It is not my wish wish to cause any confusion or to start an argument, but it is uncertain whether a deacon may enroll someone in the brown scapular. I got into quite a protracted discussion about it with a deacon friend of mine some years ago.

According to this webpage of the Sisters of Carmel, an ordained deacon* cannot* enroll a person in the Scapular - only and ordained priest of the Catholic Church can.

Sisters of Carmel ; Brown Scapular ; FAQ’s (see question # 9 - quoted below) :
Then if it is not your wish to cause any confusion, refrain from getting your information from a schismatic group.
We get the same answer from Gloriatv
As far as I’ve been able to tell, it would seem that while the deacon does have the faculty to bless a scapular, he does not have the faculty to invest someone in, or to enroll someone in the brown Scapular; only the priest.
This would further seem to be borne out by the fact that any subsequent scapular worn by the one invested need not be blessed - the investiture automatically confers a blessing to any subsequent brown Scapular(s) to be worn by the member.
Pax vobis.
Same obsolete information as from the schismatic group. This information WAS true, but it no longer is. Both priests AND deacons can bless a scapular and enroll the faithful.

This is the CURRENT Scapular catechesis issued by both Carmelite families, and their word is what carries the day.

meditationsfromcarmel.com/content/scapular-catechesis
 
It is not my wish wish to cause any confusion or to start an argument, but it is uncertain whether a deacon may enroll someone in the brown scapular. I got into quite a protracted discussion about it with a deacon friend of mine some years ago.

According to this webpage of the Sisters of Carmel, an ordained deacon* cannot* enroll a person in the Scapular - only and ordained priest of the Catholic Church can.

Sisters of Carmel ; Brown Scapular ; FAQ’s (see question # 9 - quoted below) :
The answer to this question is hardly difficult to obtain. You have only to go to either Priors General of the two branches of the Carmelite family and to the liturgical books themselves. It is hardly an “uncertain” matter. The Church is quite certain…except for those who do not accept Church authority.

Let us be crystal clear:
  • These “Sisters” are in fact in a state of schism. They exist neither under the Prior General of the Carmelites of Ancient Observance nor under the Prior General of the Carmelites of the Discalced Observance.
  • They also exist without the necessary permission of the Bishop of the diocese in which they reside.
  • Their Masses and their sacraments, moreover, derive from priests who have defected from the Church and operate in the diocese without faculties.
  • These priests also have no connection with either Carmelite observance.
You may read the details in a monitum issued by the Bishop of the diocese, which details the status of the priests and of these “Sisters” who were suppressed.

diocs.org/portals/2/Documents/DeclarationJuly31_2013.pdf

You should in no sense be following the teachings of these “Sisters” since they are not in communion with their bishop or the Universal Church or either Carmelite observance; what they teach, moreover, is error.
We get the same answer from Gloriatv
As far as I’ve been able to tell, it would seem that while the deacon does have the faculty to bless a scapular, he does not have the faculty to invest someone in, or to enroll someone in the brown Scapular; only the priest.
This would further seem to be borne out by the fact that any subsequent scapular worn by the one invested need not be blessed - the investiture automatically confers a blessing to any subsequent brown Scapular(s) to be worn by the member.
Pax vobis.
The Book of Blessing, which is the English language version of the Rituale Romanum articulates what blessings maybe given by a Deacon. The Book of Blessings states
*2. The enrollment of the Scapular implies affiliation to the Carmelite Family. Priests and deacons have the faculties for blessing Scapulars; other authorized persons may enroll the faithful. *
The Deacon has the faculty to both bless the scapular and to invest…it is one continuous rite.

The matter is not only addressed by The Book of Blessings, it is addressed by the scapular catechesis, which was executed under both branches of Carmel and is published in The Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel: Catechesis and Ritual.
*Who may invest people with the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel?

According to the Rite for the Blessing and Enrollment in the Scapular of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Mount Carmel, approved by the Holy See in 1996, any priest or deacon has the faculties for blessing the scapular. A person given authority to act in the name of the order may receive people into the confraternity of the scapular. The official ritual provided by the Holy See makes no provision for someone other than a priest or deacon to bless the scapular.

/…/ Of course, by current legislation, any priest or deacon has the faculty to bless scapulars and enroll the faithful in the Scapular Confraternity. The privilege of blessing scapulars has always belonged exclusively to those who have a right to confer liturgical blessings i.e. those in the Orders of Bishop, Priest, or Deacon.*
 
@ Porthos , & @ Don Ruggero :

I stand corrected - something to be said for posting early in the morning (see my username).

Be that as it may, I believe that makes strike 3 for me ; if I factor in another religious order which was in schism and whose web page I quoted some time ago in a popular blog’s combox, plus the time I got fooled by one of Fr. Gruner’s Fatima webpages which I didn’t realize belonged to him and quoted it on another website.

It would appear there still exist certain lay people who may enroll someone in the Brown Scapular, from when the Carmelite order had permission from Rome to grant the Indult to the laity.
For some years the Carmelite Order had permission from Rome to grant laity the Indult to enroll people. This permission is no longer given, but those who received the Indult in the past still have it. So, while laity may not bless a scapular, there are some lay people who can invest others, with a scapular previously blessed by a priest or deacon.
Thank you both for pointing out my error.
 
The answer to this question is hardly difficult to obtain . . .
You’re right . But there was considerably more at play in my mind than simply the webpage of some Sisters who are in a state of schism.

I’ll repeat it again, so no one gets the wrong impression :** You’re right Don Ruggero**. Plus, I think I probably owe you a fuller explanation - out of respect, because in the past, I seem to recall being a little bit critical in several of my replies to certain posts you’ve contributed . . .when I didn’t really need to be. So, for you Padre, here are the more complete dynamics which motivated the post, - error and all:

First off, I may have been , enrolled in the confraternity of the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel by a deacon. The deacon I mentioned in post # 3 is one of several deacons who I am very good friends with. I’ll refer to him as Deacon S.

I’m going back about 20 years - in the vicinity of 1997. At that time, I also had a spiritual director who is a religious orders priest (not in schism - his Missionary Order is about 149 years old this year) - I’ll refer to him as Père A.

So in the vicinity of 1997 , Deacon S (I have to use the word “purportedly” here) enrolled me in the brown scapular. It was a rush job. It was done at night, half in the dark, outside in the rain, in the unlit parking lot of a fast food restaurant. Deacon S was working outside from the back of his van(to have enough light to read). Deacon S and I had previously been in the fast food restaurant - where he was still urging me to become enrolled in the brown scapular , and I was still deliberating. He used the correct rite for blessing and enrollment (I think it was from the Handbook of Prayers - can’t say which edition or year offhand). But it was rushed, in several senses. I do remember that the rite in the book specified “priest”

A few weeks later on my next visit with Père A for spiritual direction I told him about the enrollment in the brown scapular with Deacon S, and at the same time voiced my reservations - both because it had been a rush job, and also because the rite had specified priest.

Zoom in a moment here on what is meant by “rush job” : Before the (purported) enrollment by Deacon S, I was already wearing a blessed scapular medal. Deacon S never missed a chance to suggest I become enrolled in the brown scapular - he probably saw it as encouragement , but as time went on, a fair amount of that encouragement turned into pressure.

The main obstacle which was holding me back from being enrolled in the brown scapular , is that I did not wish to wear the brown scapular only for the short interval of investiture and then remove it and continue to wear only the scapular medal once I had been enrolled - I wanted to wear the brown scapular . . . however I had gotten quite used to wearing the scapular medal instead - So I wasn’t sure if I could make the transition. That’s what I had been discussing with Deacon S over a coffee in the fast food restaurant just prior to the “purported” enrollment.

As we walked out of the fast food outlet toward our vehicles in the parking lot, a light rain falling, Deacon S called me over to his van, pulled out a scapular, some Holy Water, the Handbook of Prayers, said “Look, just do it !”, and proceeded to enroll me in the confraternity of the brown scapular. The rain started to fall faster, and Deacon S started to reciprocate by speeding up the prayers : A “rush job”, on 2 counts -
  1. Rushing my consent
  2. Rushing the entire rite because of rain
So when I had met with Père A after that evening I told him I felt as if my consent had been coerced during the “purported” enrollment, and also told him I was puzzled that the rite was referring to “the priest”, but that it had been a deacon celebrant - showing him the actual written rite used. I think the words I said to him were, “I don’t know if a deacon can enroll me in the scapular.”

Père A 's response was, “But do you want to be enrolled in the brown scapular”? At that point I replied, unreservedly, that I did. So he proceeded to enroll me using that same rite.

And I’ve worn the brown scapular ever since. It only gets removed for showers.

I’m wondering if It is possible that, in the back of my mind, I misinterpreted *Père A’*s motivation for repeating the rite ? While he may have done it because he thought I was likely pushed into it by Deacon S before ever consenting , I may have misconstrued that as affirmation a deacon could not enroll a person in the brown scapular.

The rest kind of falls into place a little more easily afterwards - enter the wrong terms into the search engine (ie “only a priest can enroll . . . brown scapular”) and a site of a community in schism pops up . . and I end up thinking “it is uncertain whether a deacon may enroll someone in the brown scapular.”

FWIW Those were the mechanics of it Don Ruggero : Guilty - :doh2: . . .but with an explanation.

God bless you Padre. I wish you a very fruitful, peaceful and edifying Holy Week.
 
I thought all Catholics were invested at time of First Holy Communion. I know that at our parish all first communicants receive the scapular.
 
I thought all Catholics were invested at time of First Holy Communion. I know that at our parish all first communicants receive the scapular.
That was a wonderful practice from years ago.

No, it does not always happen today.
 
You’re right . But there was considerably more at play in my mind than simply the webpage of some Sisters who are in a state of schism.

I’ll repeat it again, so no one gets the wrong impression :** You’re right Don Ruggero**. Plus, I think I probably owe you a fuller explanation - out of respect, because in the past, I seem to recall being a little bit critical in several of my replies to certain posts you’ve contributed . . .when I didn’t really need to be. So, for you Padre, here are the more complete dynamics which motivated the post, - error and all:

First off, I may have been , enrolled in the confraternity of the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel by a deacon. The deacon I mentioned in post # 3 is one of several deacons who I am very good friends with. I’ll refer to him as Deacon S.

I’m going back about 20 years - in the vicinity of 1997. At that time, I also had a spiritual director who is a religious orders priest (not in schism - his Missionary Order is about 149 years old this year) - I’ll refer to him as Père A.

The main obstacle which was holding me back from being enrolled in the brown scapular , is that I did not wish to wear the brown scapular only for the short interval of investiture and then remove it and continue to wear only the scapular medal once I had been enrolled - I wanted to wear the brown scapular . . . however I had gotten quite used to wearing the scapular medal instead - So I wasn’t sure if I could make the transition. That’s what I had been discussing with Deacon S over a coffee in the fast food restaurant just prior to the “purported” enrollment.

As we walked out of the fast food outlet toward our vehicles in the parking lot, a light rain falling, Deacon S called me over to his van, pulled out a scapular, some Holy Water, the Handbook of Prayers, said “Look, just do it !”, and proceeded to enroll me in the confraternity of the brown scapular. The rain started to fall faster, and Deacon S started to reciprocate by speeding up the prayers : A “rush job”, on 2 counts -
  1. Rushing my consent
  2. Rushing the entire rite because of rain
So when I had met with Père A after that evening I told him I felt as if my consent had been coerced during the “purported” enrollment, and also told him I was puzzled that the rite was referring to “the priest”, but that it had been a deacon celebrant - showing him the actual written rite used. I think the words I said to him were, “I don’t know if a deacon can enroll me in the scapular.”

Père A 's response was, “But do you want to be enrolled in the brown scapular”? At that point I replied, unreservedly, that I did. So he proceeded to enroll me using that same rite.

And I’ve worn the brown scapular ever since. It only gets removed for showers.

I’m wondering if It is possible that, in the back of my mind, I misinterpreted *Père A’*s motivation for repeating the rite ? While he may have done it because he thought I was likely pushed into it by Deacon S before ever consenting , I may have misconstrued that as affirmation a deacon could not enroll a person in the brown scapular.

The rest kind of falls into place a little more easily afterwards - enter the wrong terms into the search engine (ie “only a priest can enroll . . . brown scapular”) and a site of a community in schism pops up . . and I end up thinking “it is uncertain whether a deacon may enroll someone in the brown scapular.”

FWIW Those were the mechanics of it Don Ruggero : Guilty - :doh2: . . .but with an explanation.

God bless you Padre. I wish you a very fruitful, peaceful and edifying Holy Week.
My friend:

First, if we have ever had an exchange here, I certainly do not remember it. I am at an age where I am doing well to remember my actual classroom students who spent years with me…never mind people who are only usernames and avatars on a website. If you wrote a thesis under me, I would likely remember you…but otherwise, I may or may not. The years are many!

My comment was certainly not meant as derogatory to you in the least…it was simply to indicate that the very rite itself indicates who may do it. It is not necessary to consult a theologian in this matter, although a theologian assuredly can answer it…the rubrics themselves, within the rite, declare a deacon my bless and invest. So that is what I meant when I said that the mind of the Church can be readily known…that a Deacon can do this.

As for the rest of your story…it is honestly too remote for me to speculate. Priests who lived through the era I lived through had varying reactions…some, like me, enthusiastically embraced the restoration of the permanent diaconate and a married clergy. Others did not. Whether the priest invested you again because he was – wrongfully – unsure if the deacon could or if he did it to set your mind at ease or so that it was the result of a free and deliberate decision, I do not know. I cannot answer. Unlike with an unrepeatable sacrament, like baptism of confirmation, repeating the rite of investiture is not a particularly problematic issue. There is no substantive harm. And, in any event, you were certainly invested

I will simply add: You could, if you wished, substitute the wearing of a scapular medal for the cloth scapular simply by asking a priest or deacon to bless the scapular medal for substitution. That was then, and is now, your choice.

Having said that…the sign value of wearing the cloth scapular instead of the medal is certainly greater…but, of course, the decision of the Pope means that both are equally efficacious, in reality. Because all sacramentals are, ultimately, under the Church’s absolute control.

I wish you also a blessed Holy Week.
 
I just get mine blessed by the Priest doing Mass that day. I was probably enrolled decades ago. No idea.
Recently I got enough Scapulars to last the year (hopefully), and took them to Mass that day. The Bishop was saying Mass for the Soul of a past Bishop. He was happy to bless them all, and ask my name. He had a few blessing items lined up that people, who knew he was coming in, and then only wanted blessings done once he was wearing his Mass attire.

I thought that to be a little fussy of Parishoners. ? No idea.

I was happy to find the Bishop was presiding that day and happy to bless my Scapulars when asked, regardless of his outfit.
 
I just get mine blessed by the Priest doing Mass that day. I was probably enrolled decades ago. No idea.
Recently I got enough Scapulars to last the year (hopefully), and took them to Mass that day. The Bishop was saying Mass for the Soul of a past Bishop. He was happy to bless them all, and ask my name. He had a few blessing items lined up that people, who knew he was coming in, and then only wanted blessings done once he was wearing his Mass attire.

I thought that to be a little fussy of Parishoners. ? No idea.

I was happy to find the Bishop was presiding that day and happy to bless my Scapulars when asked, regardless of his outfit.
Oh my goodness. That’s a bit too much on the part of the parishioners. Across the years, when the Pope – I saw a number of them – was kind enough to bless religious articles that I used or passed as gifts to others, he never was wearing the vestments for Mass…simply his cassock. They were no less the blessed for what he was wearing!
 
My Aunt bought me a blessed (I have no idea if it is) Brown Scapular when she back from her vacation in Italy. She says you wear it under your shirt with one side facing your chest and the other your back. Do I have to enroll in a Third Order in order to receive graces?
An indulgence may be obtained for wearing a properly blessed crucifix, cross, rosary, scapular, or medal, per Norm 15 of Enchiridion Indulgentiarum: Normae et Concessiones. (1999). Blessed by a priest or deacon it may be a partial indulgence, under other conditions is may be plenary (usually on specific days, for example when a member of a confraternity or when blessed by a bishop and with the profession of faith on the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul.) The old norms that one encounters on the documentation with scapulars was abrogated (first with the new norms in 1967) and revised some times after. Current norms are from 1999.
 
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